Oo 2.1 - WinXP Pro - Draw - Default Arrow styles ??

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Hello all,
 
I have been looking on Help, Documentation Project, User-Faq project,
etc..., but could not find...
 
...How to set the default Arrow style to Width&Height 10 so that I don't
have to do that via Right Click - "Line..." - etc. every time I draw a
connector/line.
 
Thank you very much for any help..

Same question:  http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=users&msgNo=142373
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I tried several things too, but the best solution so far seems to
1. draw your lines/connectors with arrows at their ends.
2. In the Format -> styles and formatting dialog modify the default style to arrow style(width,height) of your choice.
3. After you have finished your drawing, select the arrow lines that have to be in your size (10)
    and apply the style "Default" to them (doubleclicking to it).

I think the reason why OOO solved it that way is that they may think there is a greater selection of users
who like to keep the choice to apply different styles to different graphics instead of having them all at the same standard,
but actually I do agree with you that it would be nice to predefine default styles so that they come into effect, at the time when you actually choose an element. Rather I see that this is not implemented yet (or only partially in the tools -> options dialog)  

Similiar issue here:
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=52080&highlight=arrow

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- You first solution works, however, is not really the solution I am looking for, but at least it has some time gain.

- WHat do you mean in the tools->options dialog?  I can't find anything related.  Could you specify more ?

-On the similar issue you proposed, it would be a real 100% solution if I just used lines.  Then you just have to choose line tool and draw it and it auto. gets style "Default" to it.  Unfortunatly it doesn't work for connectors.   Any way to make connectors behave like lines, in se auto. choosing a style (Default or otherwise) or vice versa, defining  style that would get applied to áll objects incl. connectors ?

Thanks already!!

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>> Unfortunatly it doesn't work for connectors.

Yes, it does.

I did the test: From the tool bar at the bootom, from the 'connector' menu I did choose
a connector with arrows at both ends. Next, from 'lines and arrow' menu I did choose
a line, also with arrows at both ends. Then I selected both objects, apply my 'default'-style,
with arrows set to 10/10, ...voila ... style applied to both objects.

>> What do you mean in the tools->options dialog?  I can't find anything related.

Well, in the top menu bar of your Office draw application there should be a menu 'tools'.
So you click on 'tools' and get a pulldown with the item 'options' at the end of that list, no ?

Problem is, that I can't compare our two OO versions to the last detail, since mine is knitted for
Linux and yours for Win XP, but very unlikely they vary the menu content for (same/similar) versions of
different platforms.

Also, you have version 2.1 and mine is 2.0 but it only means that you should be better off,
having updated already ; ))
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>> Unfortunatly it doesn't work for connectors.
>>>>Yes, it does.
I was talking about the solution proposed by the similar issue in your link.  That's a non after-apply way, but actually the way I want it, but it doesn't work for connectors. (To be clear: that similar issue way just applies the style autom. without having to set it after drawing.)

Regarding tools>options:
I do know where it is, I meant only that it gives a dialog with like 101 settings.  Where is the setting that you talk about in quote: "Rather I see that this is not implemented yet (or only partially in the tools -> options dialog) "  ?
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>> That's a non after-apply way, but actually the way I want it, but it doesn't work for connectors.

Sorry, I did misread this.

By coincident I found out how to create connectors with predefined arrow styles:

- So I first set the default arrow style in my 'default style' (same as I described above)
- Then, lines open in auto default arrow style when you select them
- Same do connectors when you select the connectors with blue handles at both ends
instead of connectors with arrow style. Try and tell me if it works with your office version ; )

Regarding tools --> options: Was wishful thinking to have some clickable option for
defining same behaviour of linear objects there, so you're right, nothing else than 101 there right now.
   
 

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Yes, indeed, here too, selecting the non-arrow connectors works.

Unfortunatly I do need lines too sometimes (without arrows).  For now, it's ok, I guess.

All the same, I hope I get some other answers (possibly also from other people).  
If not, I'll Accept your last solution (but with grade C however since the original request seems not to be possible; hope you understand this is not saying I don't appreciate!!)..
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>> Unfortunatly I do need lines too sometimes (without arrows):

simply define the default style new, if you need a lot of lines instead of arrows, or
single-ended arrows

>> but with grade C however since the original request seems not to be possible

Well, generally the experts here, who try to help, can do amazing things, but 'changing'
a program (like Open office) in a way that it would do for you what you want it to do
is not part of the task at Experts Exchange. It's responsibility of the developers.

Maybe somebody has a very clever workaround or even solution for you, I really hope so,
but sometimes you have to accept the truth of actual state of affairs with some application.

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>>simply define the default style new
Yeah, but still not 100%.

>>not part of the task at Experts Exchange. It's responsibility of the developers.
Oh, no, I know!  I am not suggesting such a thing.  I'm just saying that if I give an A or B grade, other people looking for this solution might think it is 100% solved.  I just want to do the right thing with grades for a reference later, even though I would like to give you an A just for your efforts (and workarounds)!!

( P.S. I did mention it to the developers too ->  http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74892 )

Hey, you know what?  I don't accept the actual state of affairs with the application!!!  ;-) ;-)  I mean, I agree cause there is nothing else to do, but to accept it :-) :-)

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>> P.S. I did mention it to the developers too

well done, so at least they know which job to put on their list for the next upgraded
OO version ; )

>>  I don't accept the actual state of affairs with the application!!!
Nor do I ; ))  I mean, I pretty much understand what you wanny say. ;)

Also, even if somebody would find another smart workaround, things shouldn't be
so complicated, . . . didn't I mention, I work with OO (star office before) for so many years
and 'workarounds' were a constant companion for that application to have it in a way
of workability for me. However, compared to it's 'childhood times' OO came quite
a far way and for sure version 2.1 isn't the end of it.


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OK, Oo developers have taken it into their requirements.

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Good : )

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