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Dell 820 or HP dv6500?

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Currently Im debating purchasing a Dell 820 fully loaded with 2GB ram, 2 Ghz Duo, 100GB 7200rpm, and 8x DVD burner.
Pros: durability, Vista Ultimate, 7200 rpm drive
Cons: ugly, matte finish screen, no wireless n

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HP dv6500 with identical specs....almost besides graphics card

Pros: looks snazzy, screen brightness, wireless n,
Cons: 5400rpm drive, no ultimate,

What would you get? Oh yeah, its for work, which means I'll use it for home as well...hehe.
Whats up with Vista 64 bit? Will it be a PITA?
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Between the two I'd choose the HP ... it's simply a more nicely packaged laptop.   But in that price range, I'd look carefully at a Lenovo T-60 before making your final choice.

It would be nice if the HP had a 7200rpm drive, but that's easily rectified if you choose to at a later time by simply replacing the drive.
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By the way, HP shows Vista Ultimate as an option on their web site ... and in fact includes it in their "recommended configuration"

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Right but its 64 bit.
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I see you deleted your question r.e. the Santa Fe chipset while I was composing a reply ... so I'll post it here:

You can't find anything on the Santa Fe chipset because it's the Santa Rosa chipset :-)   It is indeed Intel's best current mobile chipset ... among other things it improves power management by allowing both the FSB and the CPU speed to be dynamically altered as required.   Here's a few details:  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070509-intel-launches-new-santa-rosa-mobile-platform.html
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... Yes, you're right that HP's Ultimate upgrade is to the 64-bit version.   I'd stay away from that for now ... there are plenty of "Vista growing pains" already, without jumping into the 64-bit arena.
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garycase knows this stuff a lot better than I, but I've been running Vista Ultimate (64 bit) for almost a year.
Beta, RC1, and now the full version.
My latest install was only a week ago, but it was onto a box that I built specifically for Vista 64 bit.

I don't recommend Vista (any version) to anyone for any reason yet. I just don't see any compelling reason to switch.

We had a big discussion on this same question 3-4 weeks ago (Dell vs. HP) and there were lots of arguments for both.

In fact, I can't even remember how it ended up - but a good discussion by some serious hardware folks.

My preference (from a maintenance standpoint) is always Dell.

Good luck which ever way you go.

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I agree with the "no compelling reason for Vista" ... I ran the various RC's --> but haven't bothered to install it on any permanent system yet.   I didn't comment on the OS choice (except for avoiding 64-bit Vista ... not because of the OS; but because of drivers and apps that aren't yet mature)  since the question was primarily about which system (and the OS of choice is easily installed on either).

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If you want 64 bit then buy a MacBook Pro. Macs are all PC gear now and good gear at that. You can virtualize Windows or run it native in Boot camp. Microsoft needs a good scare for releasing one third baked garbage like Vista. When Vista is finally ready you can virtualize it or run it native on the MBP as well. Marketshare losses are the only way to bump MS in the right direction. Hopefully, the next Windows will be a high quality unix core OS.
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I always love it when the Mac-Fanatics or Linux types weigh in on a Windows question.

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Thanks guys, some great advice and I really appreciate it.. However, my question is not about operating systems. Its which notebook to go with the dv6500 or the d820.The os choice is just another pro/con. Its a tough decision so I thought Id throw it out there and see what you'd buy.The thing that pisses me off is I spend 1800 for the dell and have to get an external wifi for the latest n standard. Plus is the matte finish screen a plus or a minus. Other than that the Dell wins on durability and performance.

The hp loks alot snazzier! But looks aint everything. Unless its your girlfriend. :)

Help me!  I'll of course try to split the points for fairness.



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I would go for Dell, but as Garycase has said, with such price range, I rather take IBM Lenovo - the hard rock system in my own opinion.
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Seriously guys, I am triple platform I admit, but I am no fanatic. The point is the world has changed. A Mac is 100 percent PC gear now. It just happens to come with an alternate OS. You can price and compare the hardware machine to machine and then after you buy just format the drive and install whatever OS you want. Now that Apple isn't paying out the nose for the PPC chip anymore, Apple can now be cheaper than even Dell, if you compare the high end line to line (at the midlevel it is a little more I think,way too much at the low). The only major sin that Mac desktops still have(very few and expensive video card upgrades) doesn't much apply to a lappy as most are unexpandable themselves anyway. So just think of the Mac line as PC hardware and compare it. Would you walk away from a Landrover or a Jaguar sale just cuz you find out Ford owns the brand. Now you must be shopping their refurb store cuz the 830's are now out. I got to 1939.00 with what you speced out above. An MBP  15 inch priced out at 1999.00
So both have 2.2  core 2 duo:even
both have 2gb 667 ram: even( except apple ram is traditionally higher test quality and none gets sucked into shared graphics)
Mac has a 120 gb 7200 rpm drive so: plus 20 Gb MAC
Dell is using integrated graphics while the mac has NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 128MB SDRAM: sharp  advantage to the MAC
The MAC 8 times superdrive is double layer:  advantage MAC
Bluetooth is an option on the Dell but standard on the MAC:advantage MAC
Both have gigabit etherent:draw
Both have wireless n:draw
Dell has one  firewire 400, MAc has one 400 and one 800 port: big advantage Mac
Mac has much better DC design: huge advantage Mac
Dell three usb ports Mac 2 :advantage dell
Mac has backlit keyboard,Dell does not: big advantage Mac
Mac express card 34 slot dell has 34 and 54 nice advantage dell
both have lock slots: draw
mac has optical/digital sound in/out:big advantage MAC
Dell has tpm, mac does not: big advantage dell
Dell has no bulit-in-mic, Mac does: advantage MAc
Dell has no built-in camera, Mac has built-in i sight:big advantage Mac
Dell has vga out Mac has dvi:big advantage MAc
Dell has svideo, Mac does not: slight advantage Dell
Dell has docking, Mac does not: advantage Dell
Dell has integrated smart card reader,  Mac does not: nice advantage Dell
Dell is made of kinda cheap looking plastic , Mac is all alumium:way better looking
Dell has pcmcia slot , Mac has none: ok advantage Dell
Dell is 1280 by 600 res while Mac is 1440 by 900:  big advantage Mac
Dell is 5.9 pounds Mac is 5.4 :advantage Mac

So there you have it ,mispellings all over the place, but we get to a roughly equal price with the Mac having overall way better hardware and way,way, better looks. It even ships with a free system DVD of OS X you can throw away when you wipe the drive and reformat to install Windows: oops... therre is the rub. You would still have to buy Windows Ultimate: ouch there goes 299.00 or is it 399.00  Dang! All this time wasted. but wait... do you know a teacher or a student of any variety? Whohoo! Put it in their name and save 200 bucks.
So now you can get a much better Windows machine( within100 to 200 dollars or so) that is much, much better looking by buying a Mac and pitching its OS in the trash. So for sharing points don't forget the "Mac fanatic" cuz I am just comparing hardware, not OS.
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Since I've mentioned that you should check out the T-60, I was curious what a comparably equipped T-60 would run ... so I just did it on the Lenovo site:

A T-60p widescreen with the 2.0GHz T-7200 Core 2 Duo, 2GB of memory, 100GB 7200rpm drive, Wireless-N, Vista Ultimate, 8X DVD R/W, ATI Mobility Fire GL V5250 256MB graphics adapter, and a Flexview display (Lenovo's excellent anti-glare screen technology)  is currently $2043.   You can also add a few $$ and get it with up to a T-7600 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo ... although I don't think it's worth the extra cost [a T-7200 is a superb CPU already].

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The t60 sure seems to be the preferred notebook. I just cant get over the blah look. Its so corprate and depressing..lol! But I'm certain its probably the best out there.

phedius, you have some valid points, and the macbook pro is a sweet notebook. But you get an f for reading comprehension. Never in my question did I ask about the apple counterpart. If I buy the mac I'll have to start dressing stupid and drive a VW. :)

I've been stuck on this decision for 2 weeks now. I gotta get something ordered this afternoon. I'm leaning towards the HP today. Ever see the limited edition? White with full silver inside. It looks pretty sweet......different though. Wish it didn't have the black bottom.Any parting thoughts?

And thanks a ton everyone. Points coming.
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VW - or a Volvo.
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The HP is an excellent choice ... you'll be very happy with it.    And if you ever decide you regret not having a 7200rpm drive,  ~ $100 will fix that :-)

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I ordered the 2500 which is the 14' screen but the same notebook, santa rosa etc. Portability vs screen size. I think I'm gonna love it. Thanks gary.
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You're most welcome.

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