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Do SBS 2003 R2 Standard can be a internet WWW and Mail Server place in Data Center?
Dear all,
My company plan buy a server and make it a Web and Mail Server and place
this server under outside ISP Datacenter ... but I am newbie on SBS 2003 R2, and we plan choose the DELL PowerEdge 860. About HKD 15000 - 18000
Or choose Windows Server 2003 Standard + hMailServer is better and cheaper solve that replaced the SBS 2003 Standard?
And what is the limit of 75 person mean? Do it mean only can build up 75 user maximun of the Exchanger Server? And Windows Domain Account?
Do anyone have better suggestion other than DELL that about near price with the SBS 2003 OEM Standard like IBM, HP, Fuji etc?
...
And I read some book about on it, it default install wizard follow up will
let you setting up the intranet with AD first ...
I am wonder, if setting the abc.local, not the abc.com how outside that can across our web
site and we send and receive the e-mail?
I really not need it intranet function, just want a server that can place in Data Center be a WWW and E-Mail Server only with public real IP.
How do the one NIC or two NIC setting on the internet part? And Microsoft
Install and Setting Document than can help me?
Thank you for your time.
My company plan buy a server and make it a Web and Mail Server and place
this server under outside ISP Datacenter ... but I am newbie on SBS 2003 R2, and we plan choose the DELL PowerEdge 860. About HKD 15000 - 18000
Or choose Windows Server 2003 Standard + hMailServer is better and cheaper solve that replaced the SBS 2003 Standard?
And what is the limit of 75 person mean? Do it mean only can build up 75 user maximun of the Exchanger Server? And Windows Domain Account?
Do anyone have better suggestion other than DELL that about near price with the SBS 2003 OEM Standard like IBM, HP, Fuji etc?
...
And I read some book about on it, it default install wizard follow up will
let you setting up the intranet with AD first ...
I am wonder, if setting the abc.local, not the abc.com how outside that can across our web
site and we send and receive the e-mail?
I really not need it intranet function, just want a server that can place in Data Center be a WWW and E-Mail Server only with public real IP.
How do the one NIC or two NIC setting on the internet part? And Microsoft
Install and Setting Document than can help me?
Thank you for your time.
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And do I just need change the IP from Private IP to Public IP is okay on this case?
Thank for your time.
Thank for your time.
This is how we did it:
-Install "Loopback" Network Adapter. Give it an internal IP (10.0.0.1), and set DNS server address to 10.0.0.1
-Don't set a DNS server address on public interface. Do not publish the internal DNS Server to the internet. The internal DNS server will only be used for the .local domain and the server's own queries.
The www/mx records will all be hosted on your ISP's public DNS server, that hosts your Public domain name.
-Install "Loopback" Network Adapter. Give it an internal IP (10.0.0.1), and set DNS server address to 10.0.0.1
-Don't set a DNS server address on public interface. Do not publish the internal DNS Server to the internet. The internal DNS server will only be used for the .local domain and the server's own queries.
The www/mx records will all be hosted on your ISP's public DNS server, that hosts your Public domain name.
I'm sorry to say that Redwulf__53's remarks are absolutely incorrect. You CANNOT easily deploy an SBS as a public web server, nor should you. SBS is designed to be the primary server for small offices. It has a very special pre-configured design that really does not work well as a public server. Moreover, you would be required to have a Client Access License (CAL) for each user that authenticates to the server.
From what you are describing, you would be much better off getting a Server 2003 Web Edition (http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=e1a7ab0a-aeb5-4fd5-8cf3-51fdbed8fd98&type=ovr)
Because it doesn't sound like you will need to be running Exchange Server if you are primarily concerned about deploying a Web Server and Email Server. Windows Server 2003 will run as an SMTP email server without the need for Exchange, or you can install MailEnable Standard Edition for free if you need a few more features.
Don't get me wrong... I'm a huge fan of SBS, but only when it's deployed the way it was designed to be used.
Jeff
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From what you are describing, you would be much better off getting a Server 2003 Web Edition (http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=e1a7ab0a-aeb5-4fd5-8cf3-51fdbed8fd98&type=ovr)
Because it doesn't sound like you will need to be running Exchange Server if you are primarily concerned about deploying a Web Server and Email Server. Windows Server 2003 will run as an SMTP email server without the need for Exchange, or you can install MailEnable Standard Edition for free if you need a few more features.
Don't get me wrong... I'm a huge fan of SBS, but only when it's deployed the way it was designed to be used.
Jeff
TechSoEasy
"You CANNOT easily deploy an SBS as a public web server, nor should you. "
Jeff, you are right about "easily" , but not about "cannot". I have 2 customers running their public site on SBS without any problems. Indeed, these are NOT heavy traffic sites, just basic "web presence" sites with a couple of hundred visitors a month.
explorer1979 asked if it was possible and my response, from a purely technical pov is that yes, it is possible.
Whether it is recommendable is another question.
Jeff, you are right about "easily" , but not about "cannot". I have 2 customers running their public site on SBS without any problems. Indeed, these are NOT heavy traffic sites, just basic "web presence" sites with a couple of hundred visitors a month.
explorer1979 asked if it was possible and my response, from a purely technical pov is that yes, it is possible.
Whether it is recommendable is another question.
Well, then I'd expect your response to be less enthusiastic, and more cautionary.
I do realize that lately Microsoft has even been recommending SBS as a stand-alone web server product, but it's really got more going on than is necessary for that. The only reason that this would be recommended is if you needed a SQL back-end for a public web site... because the SBS Premium Edition EULA supports that configuration.
But otherwise, considering the price for Server 2003 Web Edition is even less than SBS and doesn't require CALs, it is definitely the way to go for web facing server deployments.
Jeff
TechSoEasy
I do realize that lately Microsoft has even been recommending SBS as a stand-alone web server product, but it's really got more going on than is necessary for that. The only reason that this would be recommended is if you needed a SQL back-end for a public web site... because the SBS Premium Edition EULA supports that configuration.
But otherwise, considering the price for Server 2003 Web Edition is even less than SBS and doesn't require CALs, it is definitely the way to go for web facing server deployments.
Jeff
TechSoEasy
Always nice to see multiple perspectives in the answers :)
I'm all for multiple perspectives... but with all of those questions being asked, it's apparent that the asker is very unfamiliar with Windows Server products and offering up a suggested solution without providing cautionary warnings is irresponsible, in my opinion.
Jeff
TechSoEasy
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Redwulf__53 & TechSoEasy,
First at all, thank on your comment, it let me know that look like SBS 2003 is not more suit, we are SME that actually rent a hosting company plan, but it have many limit now, since the mailbox have user limit, mailbox storage space also too. If we need add up the WWW and Mailbox space, much add more money ... it is why I plan help my company buy a Dell Server, we are plan move all the web site my this Linux base hosting to the Dell Server, and then rent a 1U box of Data Center to place this Dell Server to do the online Shopping Cart...
And we are using this hosting service to hosted at least six web site, it is shopping cart and official portal web site. Each day have about 5000 - 10000 visit ...
The Shopping are base on MySQL backend ..., apache on the Linux box...
I think SBS is since look like it include the Exchange Server on it build-in .. so I think it will help us fix the mailbox user limit (We need over 25 user, and add more on the future) ... and think it is the cheap server under Windows Family include the mail server with Outlook Web Access (We are using POP/SMTP, but if can read and write e-mail online, I think my boss will be happy on it).
Now, I think we are better choose Windows Server 2003 Standard or Web Edition, right?
If need the WebMail, do any free mail server that work well with Windows Server 2003 Standard or Web Edition?
I will add the point to 200 now, and will give you both point.
Thx
First at all, thank on your comment, it let me know that look like SBS 2003 is not more suit, we are SME that actually rent a hosting company plan, but it have many limit now, since the mailbox have user limit, mailbox storage space also too. If we need add up the WWW and Mailbox space, much add more money ... it is why I plan help my company buy a Dell Server, we are plan move all the web site my this Linux base hosting to the Dell Server, and then rent a 1U box of Data Center to place this Dell Server to do the online Shopping Cart...
And we are using this hosting service to hosted at least six web site, it is shopping cart and official portal web site. Each day have about 5000 - 10000 visit ...
The Shopping are base on MySQL backend ..., apache on the Linux box...
I think SBS is since look like it include the Exchange Server on it build-in .. so I think it will help us fix the mailbox user limit (We need over 25 user, and add more on the future) ... and think it is the cheap server under Windows Family include the mail server with Outlook Web Access (We are using POP/SMTP, but if can read and write e-mail online, I think my boss will be happy on it).
Now, I think we are better choose Windows Server 2003 Standard or Web Edition, right?
If need the WebMail, do any free mail server that work well with Windows Server 2003 Standard or Web Edition?
I will add the point to 200 now, and will give you both point.
Thx
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I have no experience with it, but this open source mail server may be interesting to look at: http://www.hmailserver.com/
Actually, I mentioned a specific mail server above that I have a fair amount of experience with and would only recommend using that in lieu of Exchange on a Windows Server. (www.mailenable.com)
Jeff
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Thx, I think we will rent the Dedicated servers from Data Center in Hong Kong.
Since consider the future of the hardware replacement, it will be a high price on it.
Thx both good person give me professional suggestion and help.
Since consider the future of the hardware replacement, it will be a high price on it.
Thx both good person give me professional suggestion and help.
You're quite welcome.
One nice thing about renting servers in a data center is you can upsize or downsize very easily.
Good luck!
Jeff
TechSoEasy
One nice thing about renting servers in a data center is you can upsize or downsize very easily.
Good luck!
Jeff
TechSoEasy
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But if I want this server also be a DNS Server, then how to point the mycompany.local to this SBS Server?
Do you mean I login to the Domain Management interface and then point the WWW, A, MX, CNAME, FTP, SMTP, POP (but no NS Record) IP to the SBS's Data Center Public IP is ok, not need worry it is setting to mycompany.local etc?