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Novell versioning versus SBS 2003

I have a novell netware 6.0 and I like its file versioning, because it makes a backup everytime anyone make changes on it and I could look and tell who did the last few changes.  Is Windows SBS2k3 capable of doing this?  Please guide me to right direction.  Because I'd like to transfer all these files to one server, instead of the two currently.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
Yes, windows offers something similar - they call it Volume Shadow Copy.  It must be enabled and runs on a schedule, by default, 7am and noon.  The service creates a "backup" of any file modified since the last run of the service.  You can adjust this schedule to more or less often, but I believe it will only keep 64 "snapshots" total.
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
So it's on a scheduled basis and not everytime someone make changes.  I don't mind about the many snapshots but if it only backsup at a certain set time that's not good.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasyPrincipal ConsultantCommented:
Unfortunately that picture in the Wikipedia article doesn't really show how the versions would list... so take a look at this pic that I just made of my MyDocuments Folder >  http://sbsurl.com/vss.jpg

There would be a similar tab on the properties of each folder and file within My Documents as well.

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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasyPrincipal ConsultantCommented:
If you are referring to SHARED documents that are changed by multiple users, then SBS also provides that through SharePoint document libraries version control.  This is NOT enabled by default but is very easy to turn on.

See:  http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepointtechnology/HA011611851033.aspx for more info.

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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasyPrincipal ConsultantCommented:
I should also note that All Microsoft Office programs have the ability to create a backup of the original before saving a new document.  (And they've had this ability since Office 2000 I believe).  But this is not true versioning because it's making complete copies of a document rather than just keeping a log of the changes.  

However if you did want to implement such a policy, it could be done by Group Policy so that it's enforced domain-wide.

Jeff
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
Wow windows kinda have a weak versioning then.  That would be a waste of space if there were no changes that was being made for the whole week but yet it is being backed up every hour or what ever time you set it up to back up.

Is there other program out there that I could use to do versioning ontop of SBS 2003?
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
VSS doesn't backup EVERYTHING EVERY time.  It only backs up the block level changes and notes the the file had changed.

I know of no third party applications.
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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasyPrincipal ConsultantCommented:
"Wow windows kinda have a weak versioning then.  That would be a waste of space if there were no changes that was being made for the whole week but yet it is being backed up every hour or what ever time you set it up to back up. "

HUH?  Its true versioning... VSS does a sweep of the volumes that are configured for versioning and only saves the changed differences.  It's VERY efficient on space.

As for other programs... I just described THREE different methods that versioning can occur on an SBS without any third party applications.  If I wasn't clear, then please advise.

Jeff
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
Jeff,

You see my problem is I have a database that several people use and from time to time someone would mess it up.  And normally when it gets messed up the person who messed it up tell me immediately so I could look for her name and restore the backup right before she made the error.  This is good because I dont have to revert to 9 AM (if I only set it to backup 9AM and 12 AM) backup and have everyone enter everything after the 9 AM which would be very time consuming and hard to do.  Isn't this how it works, tell me if I'm wrong? (Sorry I didn't quite understand by what you meant by true versioning)

You were mentioning that there are three ways of doing these.  Please elaborate more.  Thanks
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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasyPrincipal ConsultantCommented:
First... regarding VSS... you could configure it to run as many times a day as you like.  I've seen some installations where folks set for hourly, but then you would only have a few days worth of versions rather than a few months worth.

However, VSS is actually not much different than Novell's Pool Snapshots other than the fact that VSS's configuration on the SBS is fully automatic.

There's an overview comparing the two platforms here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/a/d/9ad6dd67-8ee3-4a1e-917f-b5c6bc65dafb/WhitepaperNetWaretoWindowsServer.doc

But beyond VSS... the fact that it's a database means that you will have different methods available to replicate, backup and restore.  What kind of database is it?  (Assuming that it's running on the Novell Server, is it a MySQL Database?  Something else?)

Jeff
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
Is there any other program out there that does versioning like novell?  Or can I put Novell in a virtual server inside SBS2003?  Thanks
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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasyPrincipal ConsultantCommented:
If you'd answer my question about what type of database it is, then I'd be able to answer yours.

Jeff
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
Jeff,
I'm not sure what type of database it is.  I think they use fortran to program this old payroll system.  And the database where all the information is stored is in a text format with comma separated values.

If some one makes a mess on it all I gotta to do is just look up to the person who was doing the mess and restore to the one previous to her changes
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kkransCommented:
The old Btrieve database has been included in Netware for ages. It works well and is nowadays made by Pervasive. It is pretty ok stuff considered it is for free.

The question is really if you really downgrade or upgrade if you are considering the SBS2003.
Novell has the NDS, flexible doc handling, versioning and stuff which is mostly 3rd party stuff to MS.
Secondly it makes no point comparing a Novell made product by a document made by Microsoft. You should seek for Novell doc comparing them against Microsoft too.

Upgrade to 6.5 or SUSE?

If you need a doc handling, backup software for the MS brand, look at Symantec, they have loads for different sizes of wallets.
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
I don't think the database is OS dependant.  It can be used normally on a windows system, but I needed the way Novell handle backup (versioning).  What software can I use to achieve this?  All I need to backup is just this one folder.
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kkransCommented:
The Pervasive SQL is not OS dependant. If you wanna consolidate the data to a Windows server you can but you have to change your backup solution so it can backup open files. Get a proper backup solution with an open file agent. That is provided basicly by all backup vendors out there.
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edmund7sAuthor Commented:
kkrans,
Could you list me a backup vendor out there that does versioning like novell?
Thanks
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pgm554Commented:
Is there other program out there that I could use to do versioning ontop of SBS 2003?
Rsync free or just use Novell iFolder.
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