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how do i forward P2P ports to my router without knowing the password

For my provider to do it for me, I bet i'd 've to make a long-drawn-out expl as they are not familiar with bitcomet. emule,etc. also  have yet to find a s setup guide to go along with the explanation and on top of that they won't be willing to give me the password to the router, the quick solution to my troubles.

to better explain :

My zhone 6212 adsl modem/router was installed by ISP.
At first I thought that the tech would take care of the whole setup including forwarding the ports. He said that all was done in good order and it never ocurred to me to mention about port forwarding, didn't know much about it until  later i realized having issues with my applications, so I phoned and brought the matter to their attention and they said shouldn't be an issue as nothing was being blocked,  but I don't buy it, first because there was no mention of  the word firewall.. which puts their level of expertise to question, and secondly  in bitcomet there's a yellow light  which indicates a firewall is blocking a port, it might be on their end without realizing as I have checked zonealarm settings and also did a test by disabling it temporally. AND  IF it wasn't for the fact that i  chose to later setup port forwarding thinking they'd give the password,  I'd have surely visualize at the time what the tech typed  to logged into the router's configuration page. all i  got to see was that the "username = admin" ." but just that.  I tried entering the default login data that came with the manufacturer's documentation,  and indeed my provider has changed the password. now what?  I can't change ISP (cable & wireless), the mainstream adsl provider here in my 3rd world country, panama. besides that, i don't have fiber optic for a cable connection in my area.

with my previous adsl USB modem i didn't have problems with respect to file sharing applications,  but  now that i switched to ethernet modem/router should i change my current firewall settings for the new device. note that I already rule out zonealarm as the culprit by disabling it as i said somewhere above.

thanks in advance
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Galtar99Commented:
If the router supported UPnP, then your applications would take advantage of that.

Assuming that the router has a public IP address, then I would simply make the request that you need port X and port Y forwarded (inbound) to your PC.  Their assumption is outbound connections.  There shouldn't need to be any explanation of why, you're a customer and that is what you require.  If they are unsure what to do or how to help you, ask for the username/password to the router.  You could ask them if you can replace their router with your own.  If they don't do it for you, shop for another ISP that will.
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cayiAuthor Commented:
I was told to leave UPnP  disabled for security reasons.

>>Assuming that the router has a public IP address, then I would simply make the request that you need port X and port Y forwarded (inbound) to your PC.<<
if you mean the url to log into the router, then yes
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cayiAuthor Commented:
I'm afraid that other router than theirs might be unsupported.
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Galtar99Commented:
UPnP would help you if your application is UPnP aware and I think you need to install the support on your computer too.

You need more than just the URL to log into the router.  You need the username and password.

If they're using PPPoE or PPPoA to authenticate you, then you'd require that username and password, if you wanted to use your own router.  Most routers support PPPoE or PPPoA, be sure to check prior to purchasing it.

A lot of this is contingent on your ISP allowing you to do it.  Make sure you get them on board or start shopping for a new one.  I don't know the situation where you are, but there are a lot of providers out there, if you can't get cable or DSL, then maybe satellite might be the way to go.  Check out http://www.dslreports.com/search to see if you can find another provider by you.
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tvman_odCommented:
I don't recommend to use UPnP, It really has some major security issues. With your USB cable modem you had an external IP address and was exposed to the entire Internet. DSL router has internal Network Address Translation (NAT) which works with most of unicast applications but has some issues with P2P and some VoIP applications.

In your case I would try to reset the modem to factory settings (see the manual). Then call ISP and say that it's not working. After about 15-30 minutes of troubleshooting they will ask you to reset the router to factory settings and will guide you how to setup PPPoE on your computer and will give you all the passwords if default mode for the router is "bridge". If not they will guide you how to set your router and you will have all the passwords again. If they send a technician grab him and get all your application working.

The router in default mode should not cause any problems from legal point of view because this devices loose configs once in a while.
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Galtar99Commented:
UPnP was addressed as a security issue in 2003 and is now not vulnerable.
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cayiAuthor Commented:
how can i see in my pc whether they're using PPPoE or PPPoA to authenticate?
as well as in bridge mode?

I dont get the last line
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cayiAuthor Commented:
this line. .The router in default mode should not cause any problems from legal point of view because this devices loose configs once in a while.
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Galtar99Commented:
PPPoE or PPPoA would be on the router.  It's a way that ISP use to authenticate their users on their network.  That way you can't just plug in any piece of equipment and it'll work.  You'll have to log into the router to find it or ask your ISP

Here is more information regarding PPPoE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol_over_Ethernet

and PPPoA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPPoA
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tvman_odCommented:
I mean that they cannot tell you that it was done intencionaly and use any sort of penalties. I don't know what do you have in your contract.

Galtar99 is right, you have to find a way to log-in to the management interface of your router. I desctibed what I have done with my router and it worked.
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Galtar99Commented:
Any word or update?
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cayiAuthor Commented:
Ok I'd do this; pretend that is not working but without  resetting it yet, and should the techician will be coming, only then I will  reset the router to factory settings

>>That way you can't just plug in any piece of equipment and it'll work.  You'll have to log into the router to find it or ask your ISP>>

That is, even if I hookup the router to an access point.(bought separately) for wireless, right?
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cayiAuthor Commented:

and when is to say that the router is in bridge mode?
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tvman_odCommented:
It's a mode when routing part is disabled. You can think about it as a DSL modem. All the logic like uthentication and routing should be behind this device. Let's say if it has an USB port, you can try to use it. The disadvantage is that you have to connect any other computers throug your primary PC which connected to the Internet
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Galtar99Commented:
If the ISP's router is bridging, it will allow all traffic, but you won't need authentication on your router as it will still be doing this function.  It will essentially just be a switch that's authenticating to the ISP.  The danger here is that it will allow everything in and out, so be careful if you're connecting your PC directly.  I'd personally use my own router/firewall.  I don't think that your ISP will do this unless they're very willing to work with you.  We had an office setup in this fashion because we needed to do a VPN tunnel between the sites and the ISP router could not allow the tunnel to pass through.
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cayiAuthor Commented:
you missed::

>>That way you can't just plug in any piece of equipment and it'll work.  You'll have to log into the router to find it or ask your ISP>>

That is, even if I hookup the router to an access point.(not ISP supplied) for wireless?  if that's true, then how can I or other techician  do the wireless part given that it's for my ISP to have the access  to the router's?
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cayiAuthor Commented:
note that my ISP doesn't provide the access point or the wireless equipment and as such, they don't do installations for such connections . pretty obvious.
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Galtar99Commented:
I thought the original question was P2P port mapping?  You can setup an access point for wireless, if that's all you want.  That should work fine.  That's what I do at home, point in fact, but that won't help you with port mapping.  If you setup a router/firewall, it'll complicate your network needlessly and won't accomplish your goals unless you get your ISP to work with you.
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cayiAuthor Commented:
you're right, but for oher PCs in a wireless network i'd need to have ports forwarded too.. thats why i asked if i needed to log into the router  by the time i add other PCs wirelessly with the access point , Or only when  I'm going to forward the ports for each PC on the router.
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Galtar99Commented:
You can add a wireless access point without touching the router at all, but you can't get past the port forwarding problem just by adding a wireless access point as it still needs to go through your ISP's router.
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