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Netware 4.11 Server SP9
GroupWise 5.5 Service Pack 5

We have this existing server for our primary e-mail functions. The server runs properly, but we are at a crossroads. We are forced to use a backup product which no longer supports this iteration of Netware. I would normally update this to Netware 5.1 (at least), but the physical server itself cannot support the 5.1 upgrade. There isn't enough disk space on the system, the sys volume is too small, etc... .

My next thought was to take a new physical server, load Netware 4.11 on it, then somehow migrate all of the files and GroupWise specific NLM's to that server. It's been several years since I did this myself, so I'm a little fuzzy on the best way to go about this. Once on the new server, upgrading to Netware 5.1 and getting proper backups should be straight forward.

What I need is a step-by-step way to accomplish this hardware swap and not get conflictions, IP address issues, etc..
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by:ShineOn
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Actually, if you can still get it, doing an across-the-wire migration from NetWare 4.11 to NetWare 5.1 works pretty well.  I would recommend it over doing an in-place upgrade.  There;s a tool called the Migration Wizard that you'd use to do the migration.

If you can get NetWare 5.1 licensing yet, download the overlay CD image that includes the last support pack (SP9, if I recall correctly) and do the pre-migration install from the overlay CD and not a retail CD.  That way, you don't have to go back and apply the support pack - plus you're more likely to have sufficient drivers to support newer hardware.

It's not as likely to support the very latest hardware - for that, you'd want OES1 SP2 (NetWare 6.5 SP5 or 6.)  There is no direct migration (or upgrade) from 4.11 to 6.5 any more, to the best of my knowledge.  You'd have to do an interim migration anyway.  However, if you buy OES1 SP2, the licensing should be for "NetWare 6.5 and prior."  Do an interim migration to a desktop PC with NW5.1 and then migrate across-the-wire to a new server with NetWare 6.5.

'course if you do that, you'd have to upgrade off your obsolete version of GroupWise too.  I'm surprised you actually want to stay on it - GW5.5 is of the vintage of Exchange 5.5

The GroupWise migration portion of the process would be a little interesting in any case, because you'd have to re-install GroupWise on the new server and then transfer the domain and po databases.  Upgrading is a different story.

Anyway, across-the-wire migration results in the new server taking the identity of the old server, so it's actually way cool.  Much easier than trying to manually migrate to new hardware and then upgrading in-place, and much safer than an in-place upgrade.

I did one in-place upgrade - and that was my last.  Never again.  All the rest were ATW migrations.  

You'd have to prep the 4.11 tree to go from RECMAN to FLAIM (the eDirectory database) prior to either a migration or an upgrade, too.
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Actually, I have a 5.1 bootable CD and license for that environment and for the time being, we need to stay on GroupWise. Corporate decision to move to exchange/lookout.

In any event, my bootable CD doesn't have the HAM/LAN and other drivers for the new hardware. I got those files from Dell, but now am struggling as to how to get them onto the CD while keeping it bootable. Every attempt I've tried so far to add the files (say to an ISO image or creating a new disc) boots the new CD to a Caldera DR. Dos prompt, but goes no further. It also doesn't launch the install files to kickstart the Netware 5.1 install.

I was able to install a version of Dos 6.2 and found a bootable Dos CD that had a generic CD-driver that works. I was able to boot to that partition and launch the netware install. However, whether I use the bootable dos CD or this dos partition, the Netware install throws up errors about not having enough memory to run properly, fails to mount the CD-ROM as a netware volume, and as of now...is taking a really long time to do the install. The server itself is a dual quad-core processor box with 8 GB of ram. I know they're probably talking about lower dos memory, but...

I won't know until tomorrow morning how far the install got. But any other suggestions to make this work would be appreciated. I plan to do the across the wire migration and already have a workstation loaded PC ready to go.
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Go to the Novell support site and download the NetWare 5.1 SP8 overlay CD image, and burn it to CD.

It's an .iso image so make sure you take the "burn from image" option on your burner software.

Here's a link to the English/Espanol localization.
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=t006GFCPuVI~

English/Deutsch: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=AxxR2NB8i5g~

English/Portugues: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=C11BssntR8E~

English/Francais: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=9ruAjmGfWfE~

English/Italiano: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=VzylIGMb3BQ~

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by:seriochka1
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Thanks for the links. I didn't see them available directly on Novell''s support site...just the one's for 6.5. In any event, the server is up and running. My only problem now is that the license disk I believed was functional for NetWare 5.1 is gone...nowhere to be found. I thought I had a 250 license disc around, but that was for 4.11. I found a couple of sources online where I could buy a Server+5 license and a 100-connection additive license for around $600. In a few days...all will be well. Thanks for the assistance.

-Steve
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