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i have a 3yr old  ibm server with  2003 sbs 66 user and 200 gig of data and want to replace it with a hp box to runthe same  sbs 2003  and to function exactly the same and better. how do i go about it?  is acronis a better option? or do i start from scratch?
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please what kind of issues are we talking about here?
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About the only real issues involve the Acronis Rescue Media. How to describe this .... I have never been able to create a successful rescue media. I think Acronis has some real issues that they aren't freely admitting to.  I fine myself always having to go back to Acronis Tech Support and having them send me a link to download one of their pre-made Rescue Medias. I find that REALLY annoying. Their Tech Support is good and they have always come through but it is annoying. That is why I reccommend a couple "trial runs". You make sure that you have a good working Rescue Media to drop the image back down on the new server. BTW I use a external 250GB USB drive to create the image to and then move it to the new server for the restore. You need to make sure you have something like that which will hold the entire image.
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okay, and this will restore all the setting and policy to the destination server?
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john3verse8

yes it is an OEM so whats is the best way forward
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Yes. The Acronis imaging solution will "clone" the whole 9 yards. I mean everything. Sounds like the best solution is to get your existing server up to either retail or volume licensing first and clone second.
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you mean i have to get the licenses b4 i can proceed?  what other options doi have?
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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

john3verse8,

The easiest way to move forward is to buy your NEW server with SBS OEM.  Unless you've already bought the machine without an OS.  In that case, you can order the license online and usually have it in a day or so.  I'd suggest though, that if you are buying the non-OEM license, that you get Software Assurance with it because SBS 2008 will be released within a year and this way you get a free upgrade... but only do that if your new server is 64-bit because SBS 2008 will only run on 64-bit machines.

FYI, the CALs ARE transferable.  So you don't need to buy new CALs... just the SBS OS license.

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jimbecher

Jeff. I beg to differ. I in no way, shape or form suggested that he do something illegal. It was a statement that Acronis doesn't look at or care about  the Microsoft license. If you would like me to re-word it I would be happy to.
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I have to tell you that I read your latter comment BEFORE seeing the one prior.  Taken on its own, it can easily be understood that you were suggesting otherwise.  But let's not worry about it.  I'll delete the admin comment as well, and we can just move on if that's okay with you.

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10-4. Sorry.
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john3verse8

i am getting confused here. all am doing is trying to do is a replacement  and  then stop using the old server after the cloning. is this a licences violation?
jimbecher

It you are running an OEM version then yes it is a clear licensing violation. You might want to consider updating the current server to a retail or volume license before making the move. OEM licenses are only valid on the original equipment that it was installed on.
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i will go for the volume license. then smsmigration and acronis which do strongly recomemded for realibilty in relation to my server setting, mapped drives and printers, domain setiings. please your advice on this cos it will be too expensive to start experimenting at this stage.
jimbecher

I am missing it. Are you going SMS Migration or Acronis? What don't they reccommend?
Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

If you are going to have a new license, then you can't use Acronis as that would move your OEM-based settings.  So... SBSMigration is really a better option anyhow especially with having 66 users to migrate.

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has any one used shadowprotect server edition b4 and how is it?
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from storagecraft.com
Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

I've used it, but never for migration, and it won't do any different for you than Acronis would.  Imaging is NOT the right solution for you in this situation.

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jimbecher

Jeff, you would be the one to ask. Is there anything license wise he could do to his current server to make imaging an alternative? It would only take about 3 hours from start to finish if he were to image and all his setting, services, GPO the whole nine yards would just be there. Lord only know how much time he would have to put in to it without imaging.
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jimbecher you read my mind.  the whole process is daunting.  i have been up all day but to no where near what i expect
Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

I think the confusion here is whether the current server would be upgraded to a non-OEM license BEFORE migrating.  If that was done, then imaging would be okay.

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Yes, John, its is. You have my sympathy. Imaging is so simple just from the standpoint it's all there. I have never tried SBS Migration but I have visions of spending a 40 hour week after doing it just cleaning you things that "just didn't quite work". You know what really kills me? Here you are trying to stay legal. You have paid your dues once. I don't care who sold you the OEM license the fact remains that you increased Microsoft's bottom line and they (Microsoft) are the show stoppers in the whole affair. It just doesn't make sense ...
Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

Just to be fair here...  the OEM license is significantly less expensive than non-OEM.  So, "you have paid your dues once" isn't really an apples to apples comparison.

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Well just today .... I was sitting down quoting a SBS 2003 server. I decided to take a look at the volume licensing pricing as opposed to the OEM just because of this thread. I was amazed to find  that the Vol Licensing is only about 2% more expensive then the OEM. Guess what I'm quoting?
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Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

Are you comparing the OEM cost as bought directly from MS?  Or from an equipment manufacturer?  Because the price that Dell or HP pays MS for an OEM license is a lot lower than the published Volume License cost.

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jimbecher

Hi Jeff. I do all my purchasing via a national distributor. So I guess I would have to say I buy it directly from Microsoft. I will agree that the pricing on desktop OSs is radical between Retail and OEM but for some reason the server OSs aren't. Don't know why.
Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

Single OEM licenses bought through a distributor will be about equal to OVL.  That's because Microsoft expects it's costs to be similar with regard to supporting the end-result of the sale.

In your situation, you would be responsible for providing support for that license... and most likely you'd turn to Microsoft for supporting you.

But that's not fair to compare it to this situation which involves an HP OEM license which is supported by HP, not Microsoft.

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If my costs are similar shouldn't HP's be? You might be able to give HP part blame for not pushing OVL , you might be able to give John a little blame for not ordering OVL but you seem to be holding Microsoft blameless? I would guess that between all the parties invloved Microsoft cleared the most margin.
Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy

"If my costs are similar shouldn't HP's be? "

That's not an assumption I'd be willing to make.  HP buys millions of licenses from Microsoft, you don't.

I don't know what your pricing is from your supplier, but the variance of available pricing is pretty normal:
SBS OEM (SKU E75-00956): http://www.jigantic.com/product.aspx?item=211893&refID=200&sku=S72413

But that fact aside, I'm not suggesting that Microsoft is blameless... but I'm also not trying to cast blame anywhere.  I also don't think that your comment that between all the parties involved, Microsoft cleared the most margin even has anything to do with it.  Businesses sell products and services for a price based on what the market will bear.  Delving into that subject is way off topic though.

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jimbecher

I agree. The discussing about Licensing and Microsoft is a huge topic in itself and isn't helping John a bit. If I may copy your response to John here to make sure he sees it:

"I think the confusion here is whether the current server would be upgraded to a non-OEM license BEFORE migrating.  If that was done, then imaging would be okay. "
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