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need to merger two AD 2003  domains in one
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by:KCTS
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There is no simple solution to this. You can use the Active Directory Migration Tool - details and download at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6f86937b-533a-466d-a8e8-aff85ad3d212&displaylang=en

Do you realy need to merge the domains - will creating a trust between them suffice - it may be easier.
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by:Jay_Jay70
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and you make note of SBS being involved - if this has SBS as part of it, you have no choice but a manual migration which is going to be messy and time consuming
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by:KCTS
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Ah - yes I failed to spot that.
SBS server does not allow trusts - so its the ADMT I'm affraid
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by:Jay_Jay70
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one of the main reasons i dislike SBS - its limitations drive me rank
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by:Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy
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Oh c'mon Jay... consider the situation here... it would be one thing if "merging two domains" were hundreds of computers, but in SBS-land? I doubt very much if one of those domains has more than 20 users which would take significantly LESS time to just add manually than using any kind of AD migration tool.

The SBS's Add-User Wizard allows for bulk entry of names and computers, so it can be done in one run of the wizard.  Or a couple of runs if you need to divide them into separate security groups.

Email would need to be exported via EXMerge anyhow (http://sbsurl.com/exmerge), and user files can just be transfered by USB Hard Drive.

The whole process shouldn't take more than a couple hours.

But what Georgio1510 really fails to mention is what kind of servers are currently involved.  If there are two SBS's, then one group is just manually added to the other.  If it's Standard Win2K3 & an SBS, then the AD from the Standard is added to the SBS .  Assuming that the total number of users is going to be less than 75.  If more than that, then this is a completely different question.

It's too bad that Georgio1510 is so brief in his questions.

Jeff
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by:Jay_Jay70
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ah i was waiting for how long it would take you to slap me Jeff :)

Good points though as per usual spose it cant be all that painful :0
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by:Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy
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The whole thing is that AD and it's related tools were designed to deal with hundreds if not thousands of objects.  If you aren't familiar with the tools, it will take at least as long to just learn how to use them as it would to just get it done manually.  

It's also not fair to poopoo the "limitations" without recognizing that there are plenty of benefits which substantially reduce the maintenance and management necessary on the entire network!  But usually enterprise sysadmins don't see the SBS features as benefits because it threatens their job security.

:-)

Jeff
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by:Jay_Jay70
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oh ouch - I think it would be more fair to say that we probably dont like the limitations, due to their inability to intermesh with exisitng AD environments..eg..we bought a supply business, that has an SBS server....now i have to migrate their AD into mine....which is kinda hard with some of the limitations included with SBS....so i have to wipe it and start again...which is fine but i think there should be a couple of things loosened up - primarily trusts....

Though saying that, SBS being used as it was designed is fantastic...you just get people like me who want to tinker and then Bang...its all over...**grin** The Benefits far outweigh the limitations for small business i agree wit you 100%

J
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by:Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy
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If you had to migrate their AD into yours all you had to do was to buy the Transition Pack to remove the SBS restrictions and convert the licensing.  You would have had to get CALs for these folks anyhow... and it's MUCH less expensive to use the Transition CALs than getting new CORE CALs.

(http://sbsurl.com/transition)

Jeff
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by:Jay_Jay70
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You are kidding me, i knew there was a transition pack for licencing, but bugger me i didnt know there was tool to remove the restrictions....damn....:)
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by:KCTS
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I should have known that !
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by:Georgio1510
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Hi Guys there is no SBS server present , there is one DC 2003 in each Domain
one DOmain have 500 objects the other one 1500
there is also two seperate Exchange boxes in each domain

Cheers .
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In that case you can use a trust if it fulfils your requirements - it less hassle than merging the domains try http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/7929b0c4-efe1-409c-99e3-efe9815f426d1033.mspx?mfr=true
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by:Jay_Jay70
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intrigued as to why you posted this in the SBS zone then :)

If you want to merge, you are looking at quite a proces....I am with KCTS on this, i think a trust may well be better sutied to your needs - though saying that, if thats not good enough, we can guide you through the migration
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by:Jeffrey Kane - TechSoEasy
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" there is no SBS server present "

Well that's a completely different story, and I too would wonder why you posted this in the SBS Zone.  :-)

I agree that a trust be the first place to start.  You might find this helpful with regards to Exchange:  http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996077.aspx

Jeff
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