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i have a question in my C textbook that ask the following question. Can you explain this to newbie C student
Consider the following program, which consist of two object module
void p2(void);
int main(){
p2();
return 0;
}
# include <stdio.h>

char main;
void p2(){
printf("ox%x\n",main);
}

when this program is compiled it prints string 0x55\n and terminate, even though p2 never initializes variable main. Can you explain this

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The only correct answer is that you can't explain it : the code is not valid C code (you can't re-declare main as a char), so it shouldn't even compile.
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oh that is right. It has to do with some of the linking process that the book mentioned.
Thanks you are always so helpful
Thanks for your time
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when you have an uninitialized variable, is value is "undefined", so it can print any random value.
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In C, there are 4 identifier namespaces, and within one namespace, no two symbols may have the same name.

From the standard :

        If more than one declaration of a particular identifier is visible at any point
        in a translation unit, the syntactic context disambiguates uses that refer to
        different entities.
        Thus, there are separate name spaces for various categories of identifiers,
        as follows:
        - label names (disambiguated by the syntax of the label declaration and use);
        - the tags of structures, unions, and enumerations (disambiguated by
          following any of the keywords struct, union, or enum);
        - the members of structures or unions; each structure or union has a
          separate name space for its members (disambiguated by the type of the
          expression used to access the member via the . or -> operator);
        - all other identifiers, called ordinary identifiers (declared in ordinary
          declarators or as enumeration constants).

Both the main function and the main char fall in the last namespace, so that's not allowed.
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>> when you have an uninitialized variable, is value is "undefined", so it can print any random value.

If the char would have had a valid identifier (which is not the case), it would have static storage duration, and would thus be implicitly initialized to 0.
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>>If the char would have had a valid identifier (which is not the case), it would have static storage duration, and would thus be implicitly initialized to 0.

not all C compilers do this, because not all compilers are ISO C compliant. So assuming that the variable would be initialized is a bad practice, specially if you plan to port your application.
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Just remembering this issue...
What happens if the coder decide to move the global variable into a function? He can forget to initialize and will have an unexpected value. Then, why to promote this practice? It will be better and cleaner to initialize every variable as far as possible.
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>> not all C compilers do this, because not all compilers are ISO C compliant. So assuming that the variable would be initialized is a bad practice, specially if you plan to port your application.

I'm not talking about a specific compiler ... I'm talking about the C programming language. If a certain compiler doesn't do this very basic initialization, then it's far from compliant, and you shouldn't use it imo.


>> Then, why to promote this practice? It will be better and cleaner to initialize every variable as far as possible.

I'm not promoting anything ... The question was to explain the behavior of the code, and that was exactly what I did.

For the record : I do agree that it's safe to always initialize variables explicitly, but for variables with static storage duration it's not strictly necessary to do so.
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>> If a certain compiler doesn't do this very basic initialization, then it's far from compliant, and you shouldn't use it imo.
Maybe in a PC-only world. I use VC++ for PC, but also develop for embedded systems, where not all options are ISO/ANSI C compliant, and there are few choices. But I don't care, because I always initialize the variables.

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That's fine, jaime, but my point was that this question comes from a C book, and we should thus only reason about the C standard ... not a specific C compiler.
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