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A client of mine has a Snap Server 4200 configured as Raid5 with 4 160gb drives. It has suffered a loss of 2 of the drives, and we're currently sending out the remaining setup for data recovery.

We're looking to replace or reconfigure this NAS with another solution that provides us with an online backup option. We'd prefer the solution to be run from the NAS itself, not as some sort of client that needs to run on someone's workstation.

Are there any products out there or suggestions?
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by:Iamthecreator
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There are a lot of options
One of them that i have seen to be effective and inexpensive is
Dell PV RD 1000
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pvaul_rd1000?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04
Simply plug in the PowerVault RD1000 to an available USB port on your workstation or server, and you'll have access to storage straight from the desktop. In order to backup your critical information, simply drag files over to the PowerVault RD1000 drive letter. Files or folders are saved to the removable disk drive automatically, and you can recover or run applications in the same way - straight from the hard drive. In addition, the PowerVault RD1000 includes software that enables backups to be scheduled automatically on a monthly, weekly, or daily basis.



The PDF for the same
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/power/ps1q07-20070207-Krempin.pdf
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by:Iamthecreator
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You can also have a look at the BUFFALO TERASTATION which comes with its own backup software
http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/terastation/
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by:decker12
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Thanks, but I don't think I was clear enough in my priorities for this setup.

I need a NAS that does online backups, similiar to the services provided by Mozy. Besides being a NAS with RAID capability for drive redudancy, it also needs to automatically contact some sort of online backup service and replicate it's data to that location.

Furthermore, the NAS itself must talk and automate itself to the online backup service. I know that there are solutions that consist of "Map the NAS to your R: drive and then simply backup your R: drive to the online service." - ideally, that's not what I'm looking for, I would like to schedule the backup on the NAS and forget about it.

I'm not even sure such a product or service exists, so that's why I'm also looking for some additional ideas on how I can accomplish the goal.
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by:bhanukir7
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Hi,

I am not sure if this is a adaptec  or quantum snap server 4200. if that is the case then it comes with Gaurdian OS

please read this excerpt

A key feature of Guardian OS 2.1 is the new Backup Express software, an embedded utility that enables the Guardian 4400 to archive and backup content to a locally installed tape drive. What's more, up to four more Guardian servers can back up their content over the Gigabit Ethernet interface to one Guardian 4400 connected to a local tape drive or library system.

Link

http://www.macworld.com/news/2002/08/26/quantum/index.php

hope this would help you better.

Check with the device vendor if the backup express software is provided with the Guardian OS.

bhanu
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by:decker12
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Um, I'm trying not to sound too rude here, but I have now twice explicitly explained that I am looking for a NAS that ALSO provides an ONLINE DATA BACKUP SYSTEM. Not tape. Not a new NAS with backup software that dumps it to a tape, to a DVD, or to a hard drive. It needs to connect to ONLINE storage, like .mac Backup, Mozy, etc.

I'm not sure how much more clearer I can be with my question. Once again, my specifications:

1) A NAS of some sort with RAID functionality for local drive and data redudancy.
2) This NAS needs to have some way to connect to some sort of online backup service. This NAS needs to then back itself up to that online service, whether it's S3, Mozy, or whatever.
3) The NAS must do this on it's own. I don't want to have to involve a workstation or a server that talks to the NAS and coordinates it's ability to connect to the online service.

I don't even know if such a product exists but next time I would appreciate a little more time reading my question and my specifications.
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by:bhanukir7
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Hi,

Well what i suggested was if you intended to use the same NAS box.
Anyhow, if you want to purchase a new NAS box.

Hope you know that NAS has a mini version of OS on it, majority of them runnig on one or the other flavour of unix.

Now-a-days you get a windows powered NAS (OS being Windows storage server)
That would certainly take care of all your requirements.

List of vendors are in this link

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/wpnas/howtobuy/default.mspx

Top ten benefits of using windows powere NAS

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/wss2003/productinformation/topten/default.mspx

Please revert back if this answers your query.

: Note : backing up online i think would not be a very viable option as that would involve more over heads and network connectivity would be a major factor if the data is going to be huge.

bhanu
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by:decker12
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Yeah, I figured I'd run into bandwidth problems backing up 160GB. At home, I use Amazon's S3 service with Jungledrive, and it takes a few days to backup 20gb.

However, with the latest crash, offloading the NAS to tape every night isn't enough piece of mind, so that's why I think the bandwidth hit will be worth the security. That being said, the initial 160gb "big backup" will take a week or so, and then it'll just copy incrementally, taking up less time each night.

It doesn't sound like such a product exists as an all-in-one NAS solution however. Any other thoughts?
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Hi,

As i said for the NAS to all in one solution, it should run more than the base version of OS and a windows power NAS would give you all the benefits and it would also let you connect to internet and backup the data across the internet.

If you have raid with mirroring enabled that would certainly take care of redundancy, and to avoid a site crash i think that online backup would be handy for you.

But i am really circumspect about the online backup taking one week. And in a week anything can go bad. So i would rather suggest a in house machine where u keep a copy of the data.

Please do read about the windows power NAS.

bhanu
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by:decker12
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Thanks for the tips. Your suggestion wasn't quite what I was looking for, but it did open my mind up to different possibilities as far as additional backup solutions.
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by:financialcomputer
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here you go:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Data-Storage/EMC-Adds-Online-Backup-to-Iomega-Drives/
according to this articlt you would think it exists.  i spoke to Iomega and the article is misleading.  you can use retrospect to backup to your Mozy account usign the software installed on a PC, not embedded in the NAS.
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If you haven't already found a solution check this out:
http://www.readynas.com/?page_id=942.
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by:financialcomputer
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I have been thru all this.  The Buffalo backup is sort of OK if you are going to another Buffalo device.  Windows based devices are costly if you are just doing basic file storage.  

As the last poster said.....What you need is a Netgear ReadyNAS.  

http://www.readynas.com/
You just cant beat the NV+ for the price:
http://www.readynas.com/?cat=4
The backup portion is called ReadyNAS Vault:
http://www.readynas.com/?cat=51
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