accessing router setup through a router

Hi,
I will try to show what my "chain of devices" are clearly I hope.
Cable Modem -->  Linksys Router --> VOIP Router

I have 2 hard wired computers connected to the linksys router and one pc that connects wirelessly.
On the linksys router, I have upgraded to the Tomato firmware.
Anyway, I want to be able to access the "setup" page in the VOIP router from one of my computers.  I have no clue what addresses to use (format...etc).
I can connect no problem to the Linksys Router to access the tomato setup program but I want to be able to see the voip router setup (it is a pretty cheap motorola router that runs the voip).
http://192.168.1.1/  is how i get to my main router setup.
This should be a slam dunk to know how to do this but i can't find it anywhere.
Thanks
Greg
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Marc ZConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Yes, look at page 5 again, (page 11 in the pdf) if you have it setup that way, phone calls do not have priority, and you must connect a wire to the VOIP router to access the config pages.


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Mark DamenERP System ManagerCommented:
If it is also a "router" device, then it will most likely have an IP address used to configure it.  You should either be able to find this printed in the manual/online, or failing that you could do the following:

Log into the Linksys router
Find the "Attached Devices" or "LAN Devices" area which shows the other devices the Linksys can detect.  Eliminate which one if your VOIP device, and try to connect to its IP address.
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
That is how I tried to access it before.
In tomato firmare of the linksys, the devices report several...most are the pc's around the house.  This one reports it being the motorola..router.  So i put this:    192.168.1.144
into IE7 (tried both with an without the http://) and it wants to go to Microsoft Live Search.

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Mark DamenERP System ManagerCommented:
The motorola device, have you checked the documentation to see whether it has a static address by default, and if so what that address is?
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
I don't really know what that means.  The manual mentions a specific address that supposedly is to get into setup but that address does not work.  
Also in the manual, the screen print that motorola did shows that screen as dynamically obtaining an address but I don't know if that's what is actually done or not.
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
Sorry, obtain dynamic address is the default.
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
I just installed network magic so it would tell me more about the motorola router.  motorola router is a vt1005v.  it reported the correct mac address (compared to what was printed on the bottom).
it says the address is 192.168.1.144 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 and it is online...which i have confirmed because the phone works.
I have tried this ip address (http://192.168.1.144) in IE7 and Firefox and it just times out.
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Mark DamenERP System ManagerCommented:
Having done some quick research, it would appear that if you can't access the device on the IP you have, you should try this below:

Set your computer to a STATIC IP ADDRESS of

IP  192.168.102.100
Subnet  255.255.255.0
Default Gateway  192.168.102.1

and then in Internet Explorer go to http://192.168.102.1
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Marc ZCommented:
glhelsinki,

Typically on most routers, in order to access the setup page for the first time, you have to physically connect to it with a network cable.  Have you tried that?  Once you are there, you would assign the VOIP router a static ip, which you could then access when connected through the first router.

markusdamenous' suggestion may work IF you are connected physically to the VOIP router.
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Mark DamenERP System ManagerCommented:
Yeah, if you are having trouble still with my solution then plug a cable directly into it, but the Linksys router has a built in switch so it should not matter either way, the thing that appears to be important here is the IP address.
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Marc ZCommented:
In the User's Guide, page 18,
Connecting a Computer to Display the Configuration Pages
http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/VT1000/downloads/VT1000_User_Manual_NA_English.pdf
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
Ok, I just connected the motorola directly to the computer (meaning I took the linksys router out of the loop)...
Then I went use ie7 and went to 192.168.102.1
(as the manual says)....
Still no router setup page comes up....just the typical "cant connect" page
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
Ok.  More testing of stuff.
I plugged the motorola directly into my pc from PC port on router to the nic on PC.
This time....192.168.102.1 worked as the manual states.
I changed the use Dynamic IP Address to static.
Then set the following:
ip 192.168.1.111
sbnet mask 255.255.255.0
default gateway 192.168.1.1

I had no idea what to put in for any of these reallly.  The logic I used when setting default gateway was because that is the IP I used to reach the Linksys router back when it was in the loop (which was 192.168.1.1).  So I figured default gateway should be that.
Ok now everything is all put back together...all routers...and all is working except I put in 192.168.1.111 expecting to reach the motorola router...still NO.
The default gateway I also tried to put in the motorola was 192.168.1.100 because looking at the setup screen in the linksys router led me to believe that is the IP for the linksys.  That also did not allow me to reach the motorola setup screen.
Some of this whole question may be moot now because I accomplished my goal of being able to make settings to the motorola router BUT I was hoping to not have to move wires all around to have to do it.  I was hoping and wondering how to jump on any of my computers and just use IE to get right to the setup screen.............anyway.  Anything to add anyone?  So far mtz1of4's suggestion of just plugging in a cable seems to have accomplished my main goal.
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Mark DamenERP System ManagerCommented:
With my Netgear Voice Adapter, I can connect from any PC on the network, no problems although I did have trouble like you getting it working to start with.  The default gateway is the IP address of your Linksys router, so 192.168.1.1 sounds correct.

Mark
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Marc ZCommented:
I'll go through that Manual again, but if memory serves correctly, then to Access that VOIP set up page, you must be connected by Wire to the router directly.  That would insure someone from the outside (anywhere in the world) couldn't muck with your settings.
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glhelinskiAuthor Commented:
It often comes down to not fully reading the manuals doesn't it?  Thanks to all!!
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