Getting old computer files/apps onto new computer - this is a nightmare

Greetings,

Please have a look at http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/XP/Q_23040423.html before responding here. I have those answers, need new ones.

I am trying (hoping?) to get all my apps, files, and settings over to new computer from old one. Both are running XP. I have the PCMover app, and have a VGA switch (though it did not come with VGA male to male cables, which took me an enitre afternoon to find online at a decent price), so I can run both machines and switch my one monitor.

Now I have discovered I cannot do any kind of transfer for want of a cable to connect computer to computer.

This is (inevitably) going to be a series of questions. And if you cannot speak geekless, simple-ese, with NO technical term unexplained, preferably with pictures, this is not a post for you.

The first question is, How Do I Connect the Two Computers?

I have read assorted stuff about direct cable this or that, have no idea what kind of cable they're talking about. Really must SEE A PICTURE. Read somewhere about using a USB cable, but none of mine have the PC end on both ends.

Also could find no satisfacory answer to this first question from search of EE.

Thanks for helping out.

regards,

stevenjs
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cbmmCommented:
run files and settings transfer wizard, if possible run it from a xp cd. it will create on file that you can put on a dvd data disc
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cbmmCommented:
programs--accesories--system tools possibly or i think the command from run is migwiz
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maxis2cuteCommented:
you can connect 2 computers with ethernet if you have a hub, swithc or router.  or you can use a crssover cable or serial cable.

plug in the crossover cable the follow below

http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-22311-Problem-Networking-Two-Computers-With-A-Crossover-Cable.html

for serial

http://www.weeno.com/art/0599/66.html
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
Sorry, cbmm, incomprehensible geek-speak. Thanks for trying, but this is not a post for you.

Others, capable of zero geek-speak, please.

Many thanks.

regards,

stevenjs
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
maxis2cute, please see above note to cbmm. Thanks.

regards,

stevenjs
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maxis2cuteCommented:
starting at square one.   do you have a router(something you plug your computer in to get to the internet)?  and do both computers have the cable and the slot that you would plug those cables into.  If the answer is yes and the router has more than one place to plug these calbes into than you can use this solution and try to use windows network wizard which is an easy way to have both computers talk to each other.

option #2  there is a cable that looks like the one you would use to go to the internet, but it is wired differently and yo cn pick it up at staples, best buy, etc... that you can use to do basically the same as above with no router.
the third, is not my favorite and i would stay with the first two options.  

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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
maxis2cute, thanks. Unfortunately, not much better.

To answer your question though, no 'router' -- whatever that is, and I connect to internet from a cable modem, and can also connect with phone modem. Have no idea what you are talking about beyond that.

Please all, do not assume I know the meaning of any technical term, and I NEED TO SEE PICTURES !

regards,

stevenjs
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maxis2cuteCommented:
here is a picture of an ethernet cable, router

go to this link for network card picture
http://www.computerhope.com/help/nic.htm

when i explained cable it plugs into the rj45, you will see from thel ink above



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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
maxis2cute, thanks for pix. I have several ethernet cables, if you mean the standard ethernet cable, which is not clear from previous post. In any event, I have no router.

I have also already spent $60+ on PCmover, VGA switch, VGA cables (which have not yet arrived). Do I have to spend cost of new computer all over again to do this? Get a degree from MIT? How do they sell new computers if this is such a costly, tech-ridden nightmare??

regards,

stevenjs
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maxis2cuteCommented:
just like the standard cable (the picture i sent), looks the same, there is a crosover cable. $25 from staples, etc...  you can use that with out spending any more (however, a degree from MIT never hurts).  then you can use windows networking wizard.  the many cables you have no will not work with out a router.

go to this link for the windows networking wizard to help setting that up

http://www.petri.co.il/what's_network_setup_wizard_in_windows_xp.htm

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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
maxis2cute,

What is this $25 cable from Staples called? Are you saying it goes in the same slot as the standard ethernet cable?

I looked at your link, and I do not want to set up a network. I just want to transfer from old to new. Then give old computer to ghetto kid. If you have a link that deals with transferring apps, files & settings using this (as yet unnamed) cable, that is not by of and for hardware/OS geeks, please post.

regards,

stevenjs
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maxis2cuteCommented:
the un-nammed cable is called a crossover cable and when yo uconnect both ends to the standard slot as you would an ethernet cable is basically connects the two computers as it would if you were on a network, therefore you would runn the netwokr wizard so that both computers can see and communicate with each other.

Then you can copy all you files ove etc...
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
I have ordered a 'crossover cable' from Amazon $13 and change. Please, dear god in heaven, let this be the last thing I have to buy to do this.

More questions to come once new junk arrives. In the meantime, assuming one has run this wizard and the two computers are 'communicating,' have a go at these questions:

1) I have read it is no use trying to use the XP files and settings transfer wizard, because each and every app on old machine must be installed on new machine. Likewise, I cannot use PCmover's 'total migration' because some apps, like MS Office, are already installed on new computer. Also, I do not have CD's to reinstall most of the apps on old machine, nor do I have any serials/authentification numbers associated with those old apps. I am told PCmover will likely get the apps over, but these will be unusable without numbers. Given this situation, how do I get apps over to new machine?

2) Has anyone actually accomplished such a transfer under same circumstances?

Thanks.

regards,
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Did you not get a PC-PC USB cable with PC Mover?   The LapLink site says you get a "free Laplink USB cable" with the physical version of PC Mover.  http://www.laplink.com/pcmover/pricing.html

If you bought the physical (boxed) version, be sure it doesn't have a cable in it ... it would look something like this one:  http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10405323&listingid=5646267&dcaid=17902

Assuming you did not get one (perhaps you bought the download version) ...

Most new computers have auto-sensing ethernet adapters [what you plug the cables you have been discussing into].   If that is true with your computer all you have to do is plug one of your ethernet cables into both computers and PC-Mover will work fine.    If that doesn't work, then you will need the crossover cable you just ordered.

You do NOT want to run the "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard" ==> that would work okay if you were just moving your data;  but in your case you need to also move your applications without reinstalling them.   So just use PC Mover.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... there IS one other easy way to transfer the applications:   Do you have an external hard disk drive?
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
hello, gary, I've been waiting for you.;-)

No, did not get that with PC Mover. The "free" means you pay for it with CD, vs. download at fraction of cost. I did not know at the time this was anything other than a standard USB cable, of which I have half a dozen (don't ask why, that's another saga).

Yes, I have a FAT external drive. What's this other 'easy' way?

regards,
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
You can do this (assuming your external hard drive has enough space):

(1)  Attach the external drive to your "old" PC and run PC Mover.   One of the options is to use an external hard drive to do the migration ==> so you can select what you want to move, and let it move it all to the hard drive.

(2)  Now shut down the old PC; remove the external hard drive; attach it to your new PC; and do the reverse.  Just run PC Mover on it; and it will finish the migration --> getting all of the information from the external drive.

No physical connection between the PC's needed :-)

The disadvantage of this method is that if you forget anything you've got to repeat the process.   That's also true with a direct connection ... but with the direct connection you don't have to wait for the intial migration to finish; disconnect/reconnect the drive; etc.

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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
Gary,

That sounds logical but there's no registry or 'system' on the external drive. Are you saying PCMover doesn't need to puth those kinds of things in their proper place, settings and all that?

The external drive is cranky, spent entire day trying to get files off it, finally ended up reformatting the #@$%%$!! thing. Anyway, once all these cables arrive, I should be set up for PC to PC transfer.

My big question is, all the software I have from way back, some of these vendors may no longer exist, most will not take 'phone calls' to provide whatever to authenticate on new machine. I can't find serial numbers or disks, have to admit I haven't done much by way of anticipating all of this. I just assumed if they sell new computers, getting the old one over would be a non-issue.

As mentioned in previous post, these are the current questions, pending the arrival of the cables.

Thanks keeping up with this.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
PC Mover saves what it needs from the registry, etc. and then restores it on the new computer.   But if the external drive is acting up, I'd just wait for the cables and connect via the ethernet cable.

If you have any problems when you get them, just post a note and we'll get it working :-)

As for the old software needing authentication, activation, etc. ==> most older software didn't use activation technology ... so it should simply work once it's moved.   The issue is getting all of the registry settings done correctly ... and that's what PC Mover is good at.   REALLY old software doesn't even use registry settings ... you could just copy the programs and run them ... but in the case we're talking at least a dozen years or so.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
it's the not so old apps that may require numbers I'm worried about. You're saying I'm just out of luck when that happens, have to buy it all over again, nothing to be done about it?

PCMover asks for you to choose network, parallel port, storage device -- I assume using the 'crossover cable' I'd  specify 'network?' It asks you to browse to a 'network.' I realize there's a 'network wizard,' but have no idea what geek speak MS has in store for me there, especially since this is not really a 'network,' and I'm clueless what pertains to setting up a 'crossover cable' network. Any suggestions about setting up this specific kind of network?

Also, is there a way in these posts to include a screenshot or other image, like maxis2cute above? Is that what happens when you check the 'attach file' box and add a photo? It goes inside the post?

Should have the cables by Wednesday or Thursday. Please stay tuned.

Thanks.

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I think your apps will transfer fine --> if there are any that don't, we MAY be able to resolve that.

Yes, a network is what you'd choose with a crossover cable.
A "storage device" is how you'd use your external drive that I mentioned yesterday.

When you get your cables post back ... we'll set up a little network for you :-)

... and finally, yes, you can attach screenshots with the "attach file" option.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
hello,
I've managed to assemble the cables and what not. Almost worth about 10 of $$$ on this setup just to see both computers at the flip of a switch (or almost -- seems I have to 'wake up' new computer with keyboard when switching).

Also attempted to stumble through the Network gizzard with various guesses, no luck there. Seems to be all about internet connections, no mention anywhere about computer to computer.

With any luck, one of you will be on answering questions. Or should we schedule this?

regards,

stevenjs
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
gary, are you out there?

available Frid night or some time over the weekend? let me know.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Just got up to take a pill and heading back to the sack ... but thought I'd let you know we've got plans both Friday & Sat ... but I'll be on late both nights.   I'll send a note when I'm here ...  (and hopefully we'll connect)

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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
G R E A T  !

what is 'late' for you? EST here.  guesstimate is fine.
a new doorstop until the apps are over.

PCmover is installed on each and carryover cable is connected.

regards,

stevenjs
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
just to get a detail in, in advance, attempts to run network gizzard on new computer produce following message:
We have detected a problem with your Routing Table but we could not repair it. We suggest you reboot.

Naturally, rebooting has no effect, same message appears.

Also, must have messed something up with old computer re: cable modem internet connection. I now get a prompt every time i click a link online whether i want to 'connect' or not with dial up connection.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Back but won't be available long ...

When you get a chance, do this on BOTH computers:

=>  Right-click on My Computer; select Properties; click on Computer Name; and click on the Change button.    Notice what the "Computer Name" is on each computer ... it can be whatever you want, but must be different on each computer => you could call one "Stevens Old PC" and the other "StevensNewPC" for example.    Then be sure the Workgroup button is checked (it should be) and give the workgroup a name ... any name you want it okay, but be SURE both computers have the SAME name --> e.g. "Stevenjs"   Be sure to click OK/Apply/OK as appropriate (if you change things).

=>  You'll need to reboot the PC for any changes to take effect.
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Now do this on the NEW Computer:

=>  In Windows Explorer, select the C: drive; right-click; and select Sharing and Security.   You'll get a warning message:  "If you understand the risk but still want to share the root of the drive, click here" ==> Just click on it.

=>  You'll get a window that has a "Local sharing and security" and a "Network sharing and security" section.   In the Network sharing section you'll see a message:  "If you understand the security risks, but want to share files without running the wizard, click here" ==>  Click on it.    Another warning box will pop up with "Use the wizard ..." already selected.   Change that to "Just enable file sharing" ... and then click OK.    Now you'll be back to the Network sharing and security section.   Check the "Share this folder on the network" box, and give it a share name (something like NewC would be fine).   Also check the box that says "Allow network users to change my files".    Then click APPLY.


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Now, on the OLD computer, do the same thing, but call the drive OldC or something along those lines.

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Now connect the ethernet crossover cable to the ethernet port on both machines (if it's not already conneccted).

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Now on either computer, you should be able to run Windows Explorer,  click on My Network Places on the left side; and "see" the other computer on the right side.   If not, you probably have a firewall issue ... we'll work that out later.

I'll be up another hour or so, but not at the PC.   I'll try and check occasionally to see if you're up and working on this.   Otherwise, I'll check back tomorrow.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... just remembered --> you're not using a router.   Do everything I said above, but the last step won't work yet :-)    We need to set an IP address since you don't have a DHCP server !!  [Yes, I know ... that's all Greek to you :-) => just reminding myself to talk you through it later]

Send a note when you've done all the steps except the last one (You can try it ... the wizards you ran may have made a configuration change that will actually let it work --> but don't be surprised if it doesn't).
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
gary,

i don't know what system you are using or whether you're going from memory, but i get a very different screen. you said:

=>  You'll get a window that has a "Local sharing and security" and a "Network sharing and security" section.   In the Network sharing section you'll see a message:  "If you understand the security risks, but want to share files without running the wizard, click here" ==>  Click on it.    Another warning box will pop up with "Use the wizard ..." already selected.   Change that to "Just enable file sharing" ... and then click OK.    Now you'll be back to the Network sharing and security section.   Check the "Share this folder on the network" box, and give it a share name (something like NewC would be fine).   Also check the box that says "Allow network users to change my files".    Then click APPLY.

Get get past that because that is not what i see.

regards,

stevenjs
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
sorry, typo, should read 'Can't get past that.'

i'm guessing click the only box in that network section i can click, but the other section has the message you refer to. Anything that can cause confusion, most likely will.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
One of the wizards you ran must have already set some of the other parameters.   With the box you're seeing, just check the box that says "Share this folder on the network", give it a share name (e.g. "OldC" or "NewC"), and check the "Allow network users to change my files box"  ==> then click Apply & OK
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
Okay, got that far on newC. on oldC, however, got the attached error message. After i click ok to error, it starts to do the setting thing, then stops and the 'Allow network users to change my files' box gets unchecked.

For your reference, old computer is named simply 'old'. New computer is named 'stevenjs.' connections are both named PCMover. Share's are called as you suggested, oldC and newC.

Any idea when you'll be back again?

regards,
stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Here for a bit ... then we're going out and I'll be back ~ 11:30 your time (EST).

On both computers do this:   Go to Control Panel;  Open Network Connections;  see if there's a "Local Area Connection" shown.   If so, right-click it, select Properties, and paste  the properties window here.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
have multiple 'local area connections' on old computer, one seems to be about ethernet connection to cable modem (presently disconnected because that socket has the crossover cable in it), another was the result of my fumbling attempts to create network, last one is the USB connection to cable modem which is how I can post this. The latter is the one whose properties are shown.

new computer is not such a mess.

quite the process i have to go through here. when you post, i need to copy/paste, print out, open new computer, take screen shot, copy to flash drive, put flash drive in old computer slot, switch monitor to old computer, copy over screenshot, post here. not complaining, but just so you know.

I will be here at 11:30 EST. have a great time. ;-)

regards,
stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Last night was a much later night than planned :-)    But I'll be around most of today ... post a note when you get this.

By the way, what size is your flash drive?
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
I'm here! Must leave for an hour or so at 5:30PM EST for an hour or two, then back rest of evening.

Let's make hay while the sun shines.

very small, 200+/- Mb
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
On your old system highlight Local Area Connection 6 (see the pictures you posted above) and then post what the Properties page looks like for that ...
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Okay,

On both computers do this:

Highlight the TCP/IP protocol for the Local Area Connection (exactly as shown above);  then click Properties;  then click on "Use the following IP address" ... and set the IP address to 192 168 1 101 on one of the computers, and 192 168 1 102 on the other computer (doesn't matter which is which).   Set the Subnet mask to 255 255 255 0 on both systems.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
By the way, I'm tortured by an oh, so slow internet connection (the USB to cable modem), it takes a full minute to refresh this page.

Good news is I managed to install a few critical apps onto new computer, still a small fraction of those on old. Will need to move app by app with PCMover when (if?) this connection ever happens.

are you still there?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Note:  On the new computer, if there's not a TCP/IP protocol (can't tell from what you posted before ... it may be on the bottom of the screen), the click on Install and add the TCP/IP protocol ==> then do what I just said.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
okay, done. yes there was one on new computer.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
what's next?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Reboot both systems;  then run Windows Explorer on one of them,  click on My Network Places on the left side; press F5; then click on Entire Network; then click on Microsoft Windows Network; then click on the workgroup name (not sure what you called the workgroup); and see if you can "see" the other computer.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
don't know what F5 is supposed to do. Does nothing on new computer. screen shot shows what appears. Don't see 'entire network' of MS Windows Network or workgroup name.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
also nothing different on old computer after reboot.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
have to leave shortly. can you be back at 8:30PM EST?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Have company this evening ... but I'll try and check for notes periodically ...
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
okay, i'll take what i can get.

how does tomorrow look?

what about previous note after reboot?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
This is one of those five-minutes-if-the-systems-were-here kind of issues ... but can take a long time to isolate otherwise :-)

Suggestion:   Far and away the easiest way to do this is to use a more traditional network where there's a DHCP server involved (basically a box that automatically gives each PC an address).   It's also a good idea for ANY computer that's connected to the internet to have a router that provides an additional layer of protection (what's called a NAT firewall).   So ... buy yourself an inexpensive router !!  http://www.buy.com/prod/trendnet-tew-432brp-wireless-g-broadband-router/q/loc/101/201683081.html

... With that, you just plug your cable modem into the router; plug BOTH computers into the router ... and then the networking is TRIVIAL -> AND both computers can use the internet :-)

... Then you'll be able to run PCMover on both and easily move everything.

Right now, one of the PC's has something set wrong in the network setup ... but it's not clear what (since you ran the wizards, I'm not sure what's set/what's not).   We could undoubtedly resolve it with enough time ... but it's really a good idea to have a router between you & your internet link .. and this will all be VERY simple once you have that :-)

If you order that router, be aware of this [Buy.com is a good supplier, but they "trick" you into spending more $$ than you need :-) ] => When you complete the order, you need to change the shipping option to "Budget" ... otherwise it defaults to "Standard" and you won't get the free shipping.   And the "Budget" shipping will be VERY fast (don't pay any attention to the time they show) ... if you order it tonight you'll probably have it by Tuesday :-)


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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
I have to wonder where this spending will stop. wireless?? I have nothing wireless here. You will have to spend much more than five minutes explaining that setup and configuration.

How many settings does XP networking have? If you're fatigued from this, then take a breather and let me know when you're feeling better.

I can easily tell you what you want to know from any screen, and send you screen shots (though not so easily) as well.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I suggested the wireless one because it was cheaper ($10) than the cheapest wireless one I could find [$13 => http://www.buy.com/prod/trendnet-cable-dsl-4-port-broadband-router/q/loc/101/10333132.html ].   You can disable the wireless feature :-)    [and a router is a good idea -- better internet security because it totally isolate the PC from the external IP address]

But if you'd rather not use a router, we'll get it working :-)

Be sure the ethernet cable is plugged in to both PC's, then post the current Network Connection screen for the old PC  (same as you posted in the post on Date:02.09.2008 at 03:57PM CST)
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
there was an error message above about Server service not started. is that a clue?

This setup is temporary, only to cross this over. I don't want to increase complexity. also, the cable people are just waiting to jump all over your router as the cause of any problem. first question out of their mouth. I don't want to add a new source of difficulties that requires additional expertise.  have no security issues.

I double checked, the plug is plugged in, the picture is unchang, except #5 is gone now that I've put the ethernet connection back between old computer and modem. I am still annoyed with requests to connect via dial up, which may be another clue. I assume once I connect the crossover back and use the USB for the modem #5 will come back.

What I can't understand is why I can't just delete all these 'connections' and start over. The delete option is greyed out, even after disabled. They can't seriously make these things that fickle.

If you're expecting the old computer to automatically recognize the crossover cable, that never did happen.

Let me know if you have any ideas as soon as you can.

Thanks.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... the picture is unchang, except #5 is gone now that I've put the ethernet connection back between old computer and modem ..." ==>  Connecting the ethernet to the cable modem instead of the other computer defeats the purpose of knowing what the connections look like !!

Disconnect the cable modem completely (no USB; no ethernet);   connect the two computers via the ethernet cable [try this twice:  once with a standard ethernet cable;  once with the crossover cable you bought];  then see what the network connections display shows on BOTH computers & either describe it in detail or save .JPG's that you can post when you reconnect the cable modem.

A router, by the way, doesn't "increase complexity" --> it makes this all MUCH simpler, since there would be a DHCP server in the network :-)


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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
Connecting the ethernet (not crossover) to the cable modem changed nothing except the USB  'connection #5' disappeared. Now its back, as is the crossover cable. status quo ante. The 'picture' is 100% as shown above.

however, i have done what you asked, see below. what even i would have expected.  that's the reason for the crossover cable, no?

now i'm on dial up. can't stay that way for long. all will be as above once I reconnect the USB to old computer and modem, and reconnect the crossover between computers.

have to sleep now, work tomorrow. you should give it a rest too. perhaps you have a colleague at EE who can guess what the deal is here? I can't believe they sell PCs and expect you to start over from scratch.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Do you have any firewalls installed?

... any "Internet Security" package?

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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
zone alarm firewall on old, windows firewall on new. i just don't get what the internet has to do with file and settings sharing.

good night, really must sleep.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Me too ... first thing you should try tomorrow is to disable ZoneAlarm => it's almost certainly blocking the connection.
A firewall isn't just for the internet ... it also blocks ANY transmission via your network that's not to an IP zone that it's set to allow.   The simplest way to be sure it's not blocking anything is to just disable it.

... the Windows firewall is "smarter" ... and is less likely to be an issue => but I'd also disable it just to be sure.   Then see if the PC's are "seeing" each other via your network connections.

After you've disabled both firewalls, type Start - Run and type Cmd ... then click OK.  In the window that opens, type the following:

ping 192.168.1.10x  ==> where x is either a 1 or a 2 ... which ever one represents the OTHER computer (remember, you set one to 101 and one to 102).    Post the results here ...


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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
ran both pings on both computers, old-101 and new-102, with both firewalls off, as well as cable modem. besides pix below, ran some kind of computer test on old PC which gets saved as a .htm doc. Don't know if this says anything useful, or if its safe to post here or put online.

the lights on both computers wehre the crossover cable goes in are on, so problem doesn't look like the cable.

from pings seems each can see itself but not the other.

any ideas?

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
On new computer open a command window (Start - Run - Cmd) and type IPConfig /all
Post the results.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... from pings seems each can see itself but not the other. " ==> No.   Old computer is seeing both itself and the new computer.    New computer seems to be seeing itself but not the old computer (that's why I want the IPConfig data -- to confirm this).


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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
yes, I see.

here's the IPConfig shot from new computer. Pray this sheds the much needed light.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
these uploads get awfully distorted from original. anything to be done about that?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
That confirms that "new computer is the .102 system.    Double check that you have disabled the firewall on BOTH systems => be sure ZoneAlarm is turned off (or better yet, just uninstall it); and be sure the actual connection you're using has the firewall turned off [Control Panel - Network Connections;  highlight the Local Area Network; Right-click; Properties; Advanced tab; Settings -- turn the firewall Off]
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
says can't access windows firewall on click of settings 'due to an unknown problem.' windows firewall was never on though. windows security says it is not on. zone alarm is off.

I've just learned from Dell that old pc can access my documents on new pc, but not C crive altogether, or program files either. they also say they do not support this kind of connection, and its not their problem.

there is plainly (from Dell) an 'access' problem with new computer allowing access to its c drive. they are quite adamant it's not their problem to fix.

why would a router be any different, if new pc will not allow access to its C crive?

i'm beat. good night.

regards,

stevenjs
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
here's the error on new pc, from right click on 'pcmover'
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
On Old computer, load Windows Explorer, navigate to any folder (just create one if you want -- perhaps C:\TestThis);  right-click on the folder; select Sharing & Security;  ... (same thing we did before ... but with a single folder instead of the drive's root)

As a reminder ...

... "If you understand the risk but still want to share the root of the drive, click here" ==> Just click on it.

=>  You'll get a window that has a "Local sharing and security" and a "Network sharing and security" section.   In the Network sharing section you'll see a message:  "If you understand the security risks, but want to share files without running the wizard, click here" ==>  Click on it.    Another warning box will pop up with "Use the wizard ..." already selected.   Change that to "Just enable file sharing" ... and then click OK.    Now you'll be back to the Network sharing and security section.   Check the "Share this folder on the network" box, and give it a share name (something like TestShare would be fine).   Also check the box that says "Allow network users to change my files".    Then click APPLY.

Now on BOTH computers, open My Computer and see if there's a "hand" on the shared drive (C: on the new computer) or folder (C:\TestThis on the old computer).   It should look like the O: drive on this computer:



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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... old pc can access my documents on new pc, but not C crive altogether ..." ==> Not true if you have the sharing set correctly.   Just for grins ... since I have no idea what the "wizards" you tried may have done  ... check both systems to see if Simple File Sharing is enabled.   Go to Windows Explorer - Tools - Folder Options - click on the View tab; and scroll to the bottom of the list and see if it's checked (if not, check it).

"... why would a router be any different ..." ==> Trust me, this whole process is MUCH simpler with a proper DHCP server in the system !!   (which a router would be)    But it is true that if something's messed up in the network security settings, there could still be issues.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
I'm thoroughly confused what this proves, but see attached. All have the hand. I'm not sure the hand wasn't there before, at least on old computer, if not both, after the Dell saga. It is on the folder too in any event.

Are we getting any closer?

Another question. Might there be something wrong with the OS on old computer causing this? What would happen if I reinstalled Windows XP SP2 on old computer using OS disk that came with new Dell? Catastrophe on old computer? I'm just figuring there may conceivably be something wrong on old that will not let it see C: drive on new.

Or is the problem with the new one, or both???? Last night with Dell I could see the new computer from the old, but only 'my documents.' Today, I can't see anything from either to either without error message 'see netword admin for access' above.'

I'm disgusted and ready to give up.

regards,

Stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
What that shows is that the C: drive is shared just fine ==>  the issue isn't a sharing issue ... it's a networking issue.   The folder was just in case for some reason C: wasn't shared correctly -- but it clearly is.

The pings show that the old computer isn't responding to pings from the new computer => it's not clear why not ... assuming they are both set for simple file sharing (did you check that) ?   Three things to check:

(1)  Be SURE all firewalls are turned off;
(2)  Be SURE Simple File Sharing is turned ON
and
(3)  [Shouldn't be necessary ... but may help]  Be sure BOTH computers have the SAME User Name and password for your account.   Go to Control Panel - User Accounts and change your account name if necessary.   Then set a password for the account (same on both PC's) => use something simple you will NOT forget.

After that, reboot both PC's; then check Windows Explorer and see if the network resources are now visible [See my earlier note r.e. how to force a refresh (Date:02.10.2008 at 03:56PM CST).

If this doesn't work, I have an alternative plan :-)


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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... Note:  Same name means EXACTLY the same name ... spaces, capitalization, etc.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... What would happen if I reinstalled Windows XP SP2 on old computer using OS disk that came with new Dell? Catastrophe on old computer? " ==>  Depends on whether or not a Repair Install would work ... they have to be the same version (Home, Pro, MCE) and the same Service Pack level.   But there's a good chance you'd lose all of your installed applications => which is NOT what you want here :-)

... Bottom Line:  You don't need to do this.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
okay, did that. the only difference is that new computer has SAME name and pw. firewalls are off, as before, simple sharing was never unchecked on either.

still get same 'see network admin -- no access' error message.

what's the other idea?

regards,
stevenjs
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ps. XP Pro SP2 on both machines, still wondering if can run XP CD from dell on old computer. may not be necessary, but there has been this error 'for unknown reason' (see above) whenever i try to look at windows firewall. Security panel says off, and i was using a different firewall (not MS) (also off), but for some six months now have not been able to access anything about windows firewall without 'unknown reason' message. may be a source of problem. or not.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
This is undoubtedly a simple networking issue ... one little "click" on the right parameter and Voila !!   But without the system here nothing "pops out" to try ==> and especially since you don't plan to keep both systems to use in a networked or shared configuration, I'd just quit bothering with the networking idea.

Simply run PCMover in the "move with an external device" mode ==> and use an external USB drive to do the moving.   Same thing I describe in the post at Date:02.03.2008 at 04:10AM CST
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Did you get the programs moved okay ??
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
No, not yet.

I have two HDs on old computer. Can I use this 'external device mode' with 2nd drive on old computer as 'external device' ? Or do I have to actually use an external USB drive?

See related post under 'storage.' Eventually, this 2nd drive in Old Computer will become 2nd Drive in New Computer. Main drive in old will eventually be scavenged and used with HD 'enclosure' as backup drive.

If I can't use 2nd drive in old as 'external device' with PC Mover, will have to temporarily put 2nd drive into 'enclosure' then run PCMover. Once moved, I can put it into new computer and put old's main HD into enclosure.

Have many questions about using PC mover in 'external device' mode: if I do this as 'total migration,' can I  transfer from drive to new computer one app at a time?? Can I use 'external device' mode and transfer one app at a time to transfer drive? Should I?

I have fresh installed what apps for which i have CDs /.exe's/serials onto New Computer already. Can't do 'total migration.' (or can I? what would happen to existing fresh installed apps?)

Thanks for keeping in touch.

regards,

stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I don't know for sure, but I suspect the drive has to really be external ... so I'd put it in your external case and then move the programs you want.   You can move them all at once ... but not as a "total migration", since you've already moved many of them.   I don't know what would happen if you tried a total migration and PC Mover found the programs already installed ... but I don't recommend trying it.

You can transfer the apps however you feel comfortable ... one at a time; all at once; etc.   Just try it -- PC Mover doesn't "bite"  :-)
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... just noticed this question is still open ==> Did you get your apps moved okay ??

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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Stay calm ... this is NOT as difficult as it may seem.   The Boot-It issue is much simpler than the networking glitch you had [I still think it's something very simple that simply got set wrong when you ran the wizards ... but without the systems here (and your relatively sparse knowledge of networking) it's simply easier to just use an external transfer device].    But Boot-It is very straightforward ... and I am VERY knowledgeable with it's details ... so that will be easy to resolve.

I posted a note in your 2nd link above.   I'll post a comment in the other question as well so if anyone's ever searching and finds it they have something to refer to.   But I've got to go run a "honey do" errand for the next hour or so ... I'll be back then.   Meanwhile, post the info I just asked for in the other question.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
yea, yea, yea ;-)

lost too much sleep in this ceaseless saga already.

manyana
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
PCmover copies its 'van' over to the external HD for about an hour or so, then freezes the computer -- over and over and over again. This isn't working.

regards,
stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Unless it's simply running out of space on the external drive (have you checked this??) I don't know what might be going wrong.   The only times I've used this for friends in your position we've done it very easily ... but in every case we simply did it across a network with both PC's simply plugged into a router.

... but since PCMover supports an "external device" as the transport medium, this should work just as easily.   Are you SURE the drive has adequate space??

... one other possibility:   I don't know how PCMover compacts its data that it writes to the external drive.   If by chance it's creating a single large "transport" file this may be exceeding the FAT32 limit of 4GB/file.   Is your external drive formatted with FAT32 or NTFS??  [Open My Computer; then right-click on the external drive and select Properties --> The "File System" will show you the kind of format in use.]    If that happens to be FAT32, then you can convert it by opening a command prompt [Start - Run - CMD] and then doing the following:

(1)  Type Vol X:   (where X is the drive letter for your external drive.)    Note the exact volume name and drive serial # that it displays.

(2)  Type Convert X: /FS:NTFS         ... you'll be asked for the info from #1 to confirm it's the right drive.

Then try PCMover again.
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
There several times more space than needed on external HD. It is NTFS.

Managed to get a smaller 'van' file across. Now, do I try to get that onto new computer? run new computer scan 'snapshot'  then do the next bunch of apps to HD from old Computer?

Or do I run another van now from old computer to HD, then try to get all 'vans' onto new computer?

There's a lot more stuff on this first van than just those apps selected, and if I start PCMover again, it will bring all that other stuff over again in next van, along with remaining apps I didn't get in previous van. Do you know if this ware is supposed to 'know' not to transfer what's already there? Is anything other than 'apps' scanned in this snapshot of new?

PCmover customer service is poor.

regards,
stevenjs
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I'd move what you have to the new computer ... then do the next "batch".
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stevenjsAuthor Commented:
Alleluhiah, praise be.

I feel like I've been released from prison for a crime I did not commit.

It worked! took 2 PCMover 'vans.' only one critical app that's balking about registration, and may be able to reinstall that. after all tortures, it worked. never have believed it if did not see it.

countless thanks, gary, for hanging in there through network saga. should have opted for external sooner. just curious, would the PCMover USB cable eliminate any and all 'network' hassles? Is it a 'direct line' of some sort?

A few problems in tow though. Seems some of C: is messed up, been running chkdsk, which neither claims nor denies any improvement.

Bigger problem is, oddly enough, all power saver settings are gone. Not just my own, but ALL defaults as well. Worse, it will not allow me to 'create' a new one. And the XP CD dell provides does not 'repair' only reinstalls. Do I need a new post for this? I'm praying it's a file or two I can copy and paste. Have to have those settings.

Now maybe I can get something useful done.

regards,
stevenjs
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Thanks for hanging in there, gary, external drive is the way to go.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... should have opted for external sooner ..."   :-)  :-)   [I seem to recall my very first post in this thread kind of suggested that :-) => " ... there IS one other easy way to transfer the applications:   Do you have an external hard disk drive? " ]

But glad it's now all transferred !!

... this thread is getting pretty long => and since the power savings is really a separate issue I'd suggest you close this question & start a new one r.e. the power saver issue.   You need to post more details on exactly what's happening in the new question -- what's shown on the power options Properties page;  what tabs are still active; and what options are available on each tab.

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