How to set up wifi in RV Park/Motel

Buddy has a small mom and pop RVPARK and MOTEL

Has about 8 rooms.  The building is in the shape of an rectangel.  The office is on one end.

Currently, he is spending $170 a month to have wfi on his property.

We want to use DSL that is $60 a month.

The Linksys router we have only goes from the office to about 3-4 rooms.  And doesnt cover the property.

Im looking for some sort of router that has a BIG HUGE signal to cover all the rooms and out side around the building.

Was thinking like an antenna you put on the roof of the building or something.

I need to make sure that all the connectors will fit etc.  Please help.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
To get the best coverage, you should consider using more than one access point.  Each access point would be wired back to the main router.  If you have loft space it shouldn't be a huge job to run the wires up there, and the APs can also be located in the loft.  I would reckon two or three would cover it if you have coverage of almost half the rooms already.  Locating the APs high up will also improve coverage.

While you can get large aerials to help boost the signal, in my experience they are not as effective as multiple APs.
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
I need to cover the park to.

Was thinking an Omni Directional Antenna.

So each access point runs a cat5 connection to the main router, or is  to the antenna connectors on the router?
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
How big is the park?

I have dealt with Netgear wireless, and played around with their large omnidirectional antennae.  I was very unimpressed with the results, though it did prove effective at extending range outside (not inside though).  So it may be worth trying an extra AP (which can be wired back to the router) to see if that covers the rest of the rooms, and if the external coverage isn't enough add a large aerial.

Multiple APs would be connected by cat5 cable running to the router.  Another advantage of this is that each AP can be configured on different wireless channels (but same wireless configuration otherwise) - this increases the wireless bandwidth available.  Though this isn't really a huge issue when just concerned with sharing broadband, as the bandwidth should be more than sufficient anyway.
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
Can you provide some links?  AP's would prob be out side.

Though I would like to look at some that go inside vs out side.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
From Netgear: http://www.netgear.co.uk/office_wireless_antenna.php

I have tried each of these aerials, and they all plug in via aerial cable (on same page) to the Netgear APs (I usually use the WG302, as this is a business class AP and proves more reliable than the cheaper products).  For external omnidirectional use you would want to use the ANT2409.

I am not sure if the WG302 should be mounted outside (it would not be weatherproof!), however, the AP could be mounted inside and the aerial outside - simply drill a hole to pass the aerial wire through.  This is a configuration I have used.

For ultimate reliability on wireless I tend to use Colubris Networks kit... however, this is much more expensive, and in most installations the extra money doesn't gain much over a WG302 (now the bugs have been ironed out of the 302!).
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mrchaos101Author Commented:

How do I mount the ANT2409?

And what cable do I need to hook the 2  togehter?

How long can the cable be?  Can I use  2 x  ANT2409
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
The 2409 comes with a mount that is essentially mounted to the wall using bolts - in my case it has been mounted to the external wall of buildings.

I believe the longest the antenna cable can be is 5m - certainly this is the longest I have bought and used, as the longer the cable the greater the signal loss.

You can use 2 of the aerials, but this wouldn't necessarily be useful.  For example, the WG302, while it has two aerials, only uses one as it's primary.  Netgear support told me that this means that one of the aerials will both send and receive data, but the secondary one will only receive.  So, I am not sure of the advantage of having two aerials on one AP.  

The cable itself is what connects the antenna to the AP, and the necessary converters were included in the box of the ANT2409 to attach to this cable.  The cable already had connectors on each end, and this connector will attach directly to the AP, and to the antenna by using the included converter.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
I've just checked cable availability... they are available in lengths up to 10m, so the aerial could be up to 10m from the AP.
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
Can it be mounted on the ROOF sicking up.... as to give singal behind and infront of the building  OR do I need another mount for that?
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
What router do you recomend?  Any work like linksys?
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
1 foot = 0.3048 meters   so 3 feet?!?!

That is about as long as my arm.  =(  ouch.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
10m = 32ft, so that should be enough to play with (I hope!).

If you have a router already, there is no need to change it when adding APs - especially as it is providing some wireless coverage already.  All you are doing is adding extra APs to provide increased coverage.  As these are plugged into the router using a wire, you can use different manufacturers quite happily.

I believe the aerial could be mounted on the roof sticking up, but I'm not sure what this would do for the signal.  It may be best to mount it on the roof but downwards - if this were done by using a pole to mount it on the coverage should work out front and back.  The way I would do it would be just buy one AP and aerial and experiment with position as much as possible - with wireless the only way to find the best coverage is to do this.  It is very dependent upon environment.
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JohnjcesCommented:
Just to drop in my cents,

I work in a hotel and RV Park, a bit larger, but I think you would be better off with the hardened D-Link Access Points, They make an interior model and for eight motel rooms, just one locked onto a wall, (they come with locakbale barckets) and are the D-Link DWL-3200 AP.

For our RV Park, we use four (we would use a couple more but the electrical infrastructure just isn't in place), of the D-Link DWL-2700 AP with an 11db gain omni-directional antenna. Two are hard wried into the network via cable (and Patton Copper Link extenders) and two are bridged to the others and set as APs.

They are a piece of cake to manage and since you are just providing INternet, you are ready to go.

What is also nice about these D-Link units is that they are power over Ethernet and they provide the power side stuff to hook them up.

A bit spendy, but you will not have any problems.

Here are a couple of Links on EE about my experiences which may help you..

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Q_22963288.html
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Networking_Hardware/Wireless/Access_Points/Q_23073216.html
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Wireless/Q_23052041.html
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
I bought hte WG302 and the antenna you said.

The cable form teh antenna will not connect to the WG302 =(
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
ANT2409  did not have the correct connectors for the  WG302.   The ANT240 came with a 10ft (3m) Cable but the connectors on them are MUCH larger and cant be screwed on to the WG302 where the dongles go.  I will be making a new thread to try and find a cable that will work.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
The large connector from the 2409 has an adapter that takes it down to the size of the cable end connector.  I have a 2409 and WG302 at the office, and the adapter came with the aerial.  The other end of the cable plugs directly in to the 302 (as you have presumably found?).

Netgear don't sell adapters separately (at least, not that I have seen), and all their APs have the same aerial connector.  Those aerials are designed for their own APs, so I'm surprised you are having problems connecting - maybe there was an adapter missing from your box?

I'll double-check the box mine came in to see if it has a list of contents... did yours?
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
there is no adaptor in this box to plug into the 302

I can change the end of the ant to have the same size connector that the 302 has yes.. but then the cable will not fit on either the  302 or the ant.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
But the cable has the small connectors that screw straight on to the AP? I won't be at the office until later today, so will check then and see how they go together.
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
Can you send me a pic?  of your connectors you got>

The  ANT has a BIG end on it.  The cable has  2 BIG female ends on it.  I an connect the cable to that ant the way it came out of the box.

NOW, I have an extra connector.  I can take the BIG end off the ANT and make it a small end.

BUT because the cable has BIG ends on both sides, it does me no good.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
I can attach a picture in a couple of hours when at the office.  Though I have just checked the Netgear site, and if you download their Antennae pdf (http://www.netgear.co.uk/pdfs/antennas_eu.pdf), the cables are pictured with the small connectors (which is what I have).  This is why the cables simply connect to the 302 and the 2409... with big connectors they won't.  I could not connect my cable to the 2409 without the adapter, so the connector you have on your cable is different.  Is it Netgear cable?  I don't know if the fact I am looking at the European version of the website makes any difference - I would have thought that connectors, etc. would be the same everywhere.
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purplepomegraniteCommented:
Attached picture of either 5 or 10m cable (think it may be 10).  As you can see, it is the Netgear cable (you should be able to make out the label), and it has the small connectors.  It plugs directly onto the aerial attachment for the WG302, and into the converter for the antenna.

Does your cable not have these connectors?  I presume not if it connects directly to the antenna without the convertor.
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
I will post some pic's of what I got here in a sec....
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mrchaos101Author Commented:
Here we go.

Sorry for the crapy camera phone photo's

As you can see both ends of my cable are the same.  EITHER of those ends will fit on the Ant.

BUT if I add that adaptor to my Ant, then I cannot us my cable at all.. BUT it looks like if I use my adapotr YOUR cable will then fit on my Ant.
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