Backup solutions to replace Backup Exec

Hi,

I am begininng to phase out ALL symantec software from all my clients. I've come  uup with one problem though, i cannot find a good soution that will have to bacup 3 servers (DC,EXCH,APP-SQL) quickly and centrally. We began to experiment with store grid and had some success however the problem with it is if a FS has 80GB of data that needs to be backed up it doesnt react very well and would ttake sometimes 2 das for a full backup. Veritas worked fine but again now that symantec owns it its not a thought anymore. We also tried Novastor however the opricing was very high, the software was over somplicated and the support was horrible.

I need suggestions that would close to Backup Exec's price range and would allow the backup of Exchange, SQL , AD and Open files all centralized with the optional ability to create D2D backups (Rotating 5 firelite drives was a good solution instead of tapes)

All i need is names and websites of software that would do exactly this and somereviews from first hand experience.

thank you
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paul-adamCommented:
Computer Associates (CA) Arcserve 11.5 - With the robotic library option (for one - but you'd need a good few more

I have a client with approx 50 servers (exchange/SQL etc) - and a central "Management" server where all the backups are controled and managed from.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
Congrats on getting rid of symantec products... I know what a relief that can be... on the other hand, I also know how profitable it can be - I frequently get called to clean up messes either missed by Symantec products or flat out created by them.  (It suddenly makes so much sense why so many consultants recommend them - they're an excellent source of revenue when honesty and "what's best for the customer" aren't that much of a priority...

I would suggest your only comparable options is ArcServe from Computer Associates.  But honestly, they seem to have fallen out of favor in recent years (more so than back in 2000 when I used them).  At the time, I really liked their products... haven't really used them since.  But I do think they offer a trial and can read Veritas format tapes... at least they could.
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jderaCommented:
If you are open to it, I have used in the past with very good success, an online backup product by usdatatrust.com.  They are great, once you start using it, you will forget about tapes forever.  Bonus they use iron mountain to store the data so it is VERY secure, good selling point to internal and external clients.
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mizgroupAuthor Commented:
yes but i need and internal solution for backups i cant just rely on an online backup fro 160GB of information
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paul-adamCommented:
Commvault is another option - but I know nothing about it - I just know that some enterprises I've dealt with use it (so might be prohibitively expensive)?

CA Arcserve - has had a bad name for a while - But their products are getting better again.

And as leew said - I do believe it can read BE created tapes also
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mizgroupAuthor Commented:
I dont care about the BE tapes i'll throw them out the window if the mood strikes probably burn them so i never have t look at Veritas mdia or programs again :)
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DifladermausCommented:
Not familiar with product or price, but IBM Tivoli is out there also. I have heard some good things, but have no idea on price.

Dif
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mizgroupAuthor Commented:
Commvault is expensive they were ones i tried to look into but it was about 10,000 for there lowest package
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paul-adamCommented:
crikey!

dare I say Microsoft "Data Potection Manager" (DPM) - I was at an MS event recently and they showed it (not sure if its realeased yet though) - I know as much as it can do individual message recovery from exchange and I think it plugs into exchange etc.....

I think its an online back up solution, and you still might need a thrid party product to dump data to tape.
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paul-adamCommented:
sorry - I meant I think it plugs into SQL - I know it plugs into exchange!
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jderaCommented:
You can try the usdatatrust.com for free for 30 days, give it a shot, I went without tape backups on site, for good business pratice compliance your backups need to be taken off site and restores are a snap.  Kills two birds.
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jderaCommented:
By the way, I was using it for over 500 GB.
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mizgroupAuthor Commented:
Data Potection Manager soounds interesting .. We trust ms with out files email and databases why nnot backup too - interesting that ive never heard of it .. Is it a stand-alone backup software?
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paul-adamCommented:
http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/dpm/default.mspx

Have a look here - you should find all the info you need - its a new product so I dont know too much about it Im afraid
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jderaCommented:
I actually tried DPM.  DPM has no advantage over Symantec, you actually would be better off using something like Symantec Backup Exec System Recovery.  Here are some reasons not to use DPM.

1)       For DPM, you need SQL server involved.

2)       Based on DPM specs, recommendations for the server that needs to be used is much higher requirement. For example, DPM is recommended to run on 64 bit.

3)       This is a relatively new endeavor for Microsoft versus Veritas who a longer track record.

4)       DPM recommendation is to have nothing else running on the server, not sure if that is realistic.  For example, DPM cannot run with MOM installed on the server.

5)       Licensing is more involved with DPM.

6)       From what I have read on the web, some people are having difficulty with installing the agents on the servers/PCs from DPM.  Obviously, this may not have much weight since it is from the web, just thought I would point that out.

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mizgroupAuthor Commented:
trying to be as detailed as possible so anybody else could benefit from this post
1) re SQl not so bad i assume sql server express will do ( and doesnt veritas also rely on sql agent of sort)

2) they always recommend higher so they can "i told u so"

3) very true

4) they always recommend not mixing software (eg Exchange, BES etc) for troubleshooting purposes so if one goes down u can reboot. But we see from SBS that they live in harmony

5) definately a pain
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paul-adamCommented:
1)yep Veritas/Symantec Backup exec needs SQL (MSDE, SQL Express or full blown SQL

2) I would agree with mizgroup to a point - but have you ever tried running vista or even XP with min specs!

3) True - But microsoft would know how to backup their own products....wouldnt they ;)

4) DPM is part of the System Centre Essentials suite - which is replacing MOM - hence why you wouldnt have them on the same server

5) Always a pain - Its Microsoft!

6) Its a new product...new ways to do old tasks - some folk are bound to hit problems
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jderaCommented:
Start adding up all the new hardware and new licenses needed for DPM......oh boy......
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paul-adamCommented:
not even looked - you may have me there - hey.....still cheaper than commvault! -

interestingly though - what speed of links are needed for online backup systems - They've never really taken off in the UK (Where I am) because the cost of bandwidth is so high (£600per-month for 4mb)
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jderaCommented:
Runs thru a normal T1 fine.  Initial backup may take some time, since it is a full and then using special technology can do continous backup 24X7.  I have even run it using DSL with no issue.
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