looking for video of waterboarding

waterboarding is being discussed as torture, or not ,when interegating terror suspects. It simulates drowning in some way.

I'd like to see a "demonstration" video of the technique as I can not visualize how it can be done.

Surely the government authorities would be shown the technique in a demonstration in order to rule on its use.

Any videos out there with a demonstration?
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Peter HartCommented:
here's one - they renamed for safey reasons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APgd07ucSpM

just don't try this at home........
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nickg5Author Commented:
apple bobbing?

where is the "board" in waterboardiing.

If they held someone's head under water to long the person could drown. They have no idea how long different people can hold their breath. I thought it was impossible for someone to die from waterboarding other than trauma leading to heart attack.
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uzzidesignCommented:
I don't know, but you can see it in the movie The Bourne Ultimatum. That's what they do to Matt Damon in his training flashbacks. It's where they put a towel over your face and then pour water over you, it apparently simulates drowning.
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Peter HartCommented:
a definition...

 Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.


or thevideo here :
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DGlLfRCkZuxQ
(but you have to verify you are over 18 to view it)
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SunBowCommented:
1) It is attempted murder
2) Under control, where a person dies, they can be resuscitated
3) Some will die anyway, for one reason or another
4) US armed forces use drowning to train members of service to have less fear of death
5) People who are ready to confess, will confess to anything, imaginary or not
6) Threat of torture is as good as torture for attaining confessions
7) Confessions under torture are no more reliable than those without torture, in fact they are less reliable when people will say anything you want them to
8) US administration changes its lies about torture on nearly a daily basis, there is no clear policy, procedure, or reliability of either records or testimony, aside from conscription of loyalty to side against their nation's citizens

> Surely the government authorities would be shown the technique in a demonstration in order to rule on its use.

This is exactly what the nature of 'news' concerning the CIA's destruction of tapes is all about, they are claiming that their tapes were only meant for training and to validate their legality and as such have had no value to anyone, justifying their removal from chance of any unbiased witness to see it. They also claimed that for citizens to hear about it is tame, citizens would approve, but that it is too dramatic for citizens to actually view it, since if they saw it in action they would not be in approval of its use at all. They simply refuse to trust the voters, the commoners, the taxpayers, their legitimate bosses.
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SunBowCommented:
Separate thread still open if any here have interest:

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Politics/Q_23009959.html
CIA Tape Destruction
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SunBowCommented:
[that was quick - closure]
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Peter HartCommented:
apple bobbing scares the SH*T out of me!!
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SunBowCommented:
<glub><glub>
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SunBowCommented:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227357,00.html
Waterboarding: Historically Controversial
Nov. 6, 2006 New York 2:43 p.m.

" Video: Waterboarding Demo

" Video: Waterboarding Part II

" Video: Waterboarding Part III
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SunBowCommented:
Note: I tried the Fox Video and it crashed my browser. Never saw what it might have been, whether FUD or any truth in advertising.


http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/Waterboard3-small.jpg
http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2006/09/this_is_what_wa.php
September 28, 2006
This Is What Waterboarding Looks Like
photos show one of the actual waterboards used by the Khymer Rouge
Anybody who considers this practice to be "torture lite" or merely a "tough technique" might want to take a trip to Phnom Penh.

The similarity between practices used by the Khymer Rouge and those currently being debated by Congress isn't a coincidence. As has been amply documented ("The New Yorker" had an excellent piece, and there have been others), many of the "enhanced techniques" came to the CIA and military interrogators via the SERE [Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape] schools, where US military personnel are trained to resist torture if they are captured by the enemy. The specific types of abuse they're taught to withstand are those that were used by our Cold War adversaries. Why is this relevant to the current debate? Because the torture techniques of North Korea, North Vietnam, the Soviet Union and its proxies--the states where US military personnel might have faced torture--were NOT designed to elicit truthful information. These techniques were designed to elicit CONFESSIONS. That's what the Khymer Rouge et al were after with their waterboarding, not truthful information.

Bottom line: Not only do waterboarding and the other types of torture currently being debated put us in company with the most vile regimes of the past half-century; they're also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) confession, not to obtain genuinely actionable intel. This isn't a matter of sacrificing moral values to keep us safe; it's sacrificing moral values for no purpose whatsoever.

The legislation backed by Bush and congressional Republicans would explicitly permit the use of evidence obtained through waterboarding and other forms of torture. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and other top al Qaeda leaders have reportedly been subjected to this technique. They would certainly note--or try to note--that at any trial. But with this legislation, the White House is seeking to declare the use of waterboarding (at least in the past) as a legitimate practice of the US government.

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In a radio interview yesterday, Cheney agreed that subjecting prisoners to a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it could save lives

If Iran or Syria detained an American, Cheney is saying that it would be perfectly fine for them to hold that Americans head under water until he nearly drowns, if thats what they think they need to do to save Iranian or Syrian lives.
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