Chkdsk report

Running chkdsk /f at startup 4 times in a row I get the following winlog report:
                       
Cleaning up minor inconsistencies on the drive.
Cleaning up 1 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 1 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 1 unused security descriptors.

  78116030 KB total disk space.
  14701824 KB in 43136 files.
     14256 KB in 3395 indexes.
         0 KB in bad sectors.
    365842 KB in use by the system.
     65536 KB occupied by the log file.
  63034108 KB available on disk.

I've read two MS articles on this. 255008 tells you to ignore the "cleaning
up" messages, but 327009 suggests getting a hotfix. The hotfix applies to
W2000 and I'm running XP PRO SP2. Questions: 1. Do I have problem with the
HD? It appears to be fine, no bad sectors -- see above -- no grinding or noise. 2. If there is no problem with the HD, is there a way to get rid of the messages? On a number of lists a number of users -- some of whom appear to be IT folks, say they also get such messages and that they mean nothing. Note please, the number of unused index entries varies from 1-5 depending on how often I run chkdsk /f

Thank you.
mn
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and235100Commented:
To make sure that you don't have hard disk data corruption - run chkdsk /R from a command prompt.
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jahboiteCommented:
This is perfectly normal and the number of unused entries depends on disk usage over time.
Usually, one should perform chkdsk /f repeatedly until there are no more such messages.
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and235100Commented:
I don't necessarily agree with the opinion given above.
I have seen hard disks that have been used for 6-8 years - and never report these minor inconsistencies time and time again.

Hard drives are generally cheap anyway - backup any data required, then replace the drive, re-image the computer.
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jahboiteCommented:
6-8 years - that may well be, and235100.  The information I've given is quite correct nevertheless.  As an aside, I have never seen an NTFS drive that didn't report minor inconsistencies with an initial chkdsk /f
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normanmlAuthor Commented:
Here's my winlog from a few moments ago, running chkdsk /r.

Cleaning up minor inconsistencies on the drive.
Cleaning up 2 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 2 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 2 unused security descriptors.
CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)...
File data verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)...
Free space verification is complete.

  78116030 KB total disk space.
  14729668 KB in 43900 files.
     14564 KB in 3399 indexes.
         0 KB in bad sectors.
    365842 KB in use by the system.
     65536 KB occupied by the log file.
  63005956 KB available on disk.

I can run chkdsk /f several times and get the log to report only "Cleaning up minor inconsistencies on the drive." Then after I use the computer for a while and run chkdsk /f again, I'll get "Cleaning up 2 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9" and the other clean-up line. Does that change your opinion, jahboite? Am I going to get these messages as part of normal use, ignore them, run chkdsk /f from time to time just to clean up, or do you also think I should replace the drive (it's a Dell GX260 so I might as well upgrade to a new box if that's the case)? Frankly I'd prefer to try to continue, but if I have to get a new box I will.
     
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jahboiteCommented:
I can't say that I exactly understand what is going on except that this is just very normal behaviour for NTFS.  As I understand it, the file referenced is the MFT which holds the records of all the files in the filesystem.  Every time you or the OS deletes a file, it clears an index in the MFT which can then be reused.  What you are seeing is an optimisation process that cleans-up indexes - I don't know exactly why, because they get reused anyway.  If you're chkdsking your OS partition, you'll see some "minor inconsistencies" every time because whenever you reboot to allow chkdsk to lock the partition you'll get some files deleted, created etc
If you have a non-system partition not locked by the OS, you'll see the messages disappear after a few passes - so for instance, you could attach this drive to a different box with it's own OS, do a few passes and you'll see no inconsistencies.
So no, my opinion doesn't change, it's all very normal.  You are going to get these messages as part of normal use and as I said, I've never seen an NTFS drive that doesn't report that it's cleaned up minor inconsistencies with an initial chkdsk/f.
Your drive looks healthy to me, especially if you've followed and235100's advice and done a /r and not seen any bad sectors. (Bad sectors, by the way, are handled fairly well by NTFS and even these don't mean an entirely knackered drive as they'll just be ignored by the filesystem)
By all means, do a chkdsk occasionally, but absolutely don't concern yourself with minor inconsistencies. And I don't think you need to replace the drive.
It's annoying, I know, but windows is good at being annoying and the trick is to deny it the pleasure and not to get annoyed!

I hope we've helped to put your mind at rest.
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normanmlAuthor Commented:
jahboite: Many thanks for the very full explanation. As a last precaustion -- or obesssion -- I ran chkdsk /r on C: from the recovery console. Didn't clear anything, even left a file around -- I2_ldvp.tmp -- that was reported in the regular chkdsk report. Then I ran a final chkdsk /f, got the usual stuff, read your answer and am letting it go. Those cleanup messages, BTW, started appearing after I did two things: installed Firefox and deleted and installed a new printer driver (HP-grrrr). Meanwhile, thanks again. mn
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jahboiteCommented:
Glad you were able to let it go!  Every day is a school day, so your time hasn't been wasted...
Thanks for the points and the super grade!
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and235100Commented:
I never "get these messages as part of normal use" - this all comes down to using cheap hard drives, in my opinion.
As I stated before - if you have any reason to believe an important disk is failing - swap it out.

Glad that you found an answer that worked for you - BUT - for any people looking at this PAQ in the future - you >>should not<< be getting these minor inconsistences/index entries everytime you run a chkdsk.
In 8 years using 2000 and XP - I have only seen these continual messages on soon-to-be-failed disk drives.
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normanmlAuthor Commented:
Gentlemen, I thought I should add the following article cites to this thread. Seem to bear directly on the problem.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;255008
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327009/EN-US/
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