Novell changes my task manager, login, and shut down screens

i recently installed novell and it changed some of the things on my computer.  these aren't big problems, it's just a matter preference.  first of all when i turn on my computer, a login screen pops up even though it didn't do that before.  i changed the preference in novell so that now it logs into my workstation by default.  but a login screen still pops up and i have to press OK to continue (even though i don't have a password to log in to my workstation).  i want my computer to just start up on its own like before.

secondly, ctrl+alt+del pops up a novell security window and i have to press an additional button to get to the task manager.  before, it would go straight to the task manager.

finally, when i press "shut down" from the start menu, a window with a drop-down menu pops up instead of the set of colored buttons (stand by, shut down, and restart) that i like.

how can i make things go back to the way they were without uninstalling novell?  i only need to log into novell once in a while so i don't like how it's taken over my computer.
vee417Asked:
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ShineOnCommented:
"i recently installed novell ..."

Novell WHAT?

Novell is the name of a company that produces and sells software.  What exactly did you install?  Based on your description, I'm guessing you installed the Novell client32 client.  It's most often used to log in to and access resources on NetWare or OES.

First off, the Novell client is a security enhancement.  In order to provide the services it does, on NT-based pre-Vista systems, it has to replace the Windows GINA with the Novell GINA.  It still logs in to the computer using the Windows processes, just in the background.  It's got to take over the network login functions to securely connect to NetWare / OES as a client.

It has to hook the Ctrl-Alt-Del sequence to provide additional password-change services that Windows does not.

It has to log out of what it logs in to, so it has to hook the "shut down" process.

So, in order to go back to the way it was, you will have to uninstall it.  However, if the initial Novell GINA is what's got you bothered, you can turn that off.  Right-click on the red "N" in the system info area (tray) and select "Novell client properties..."  Then, click the "Advanced login" tab.  Look for the entry "Initial Novell Login."  Set it to "Off" - it defaults to "On."

As to the rest, you'll have to learn to live with it.  Suggestion - instead of Ctrl-Alt-Del to get to the task manager, right-click the task bar and select "Task Manager" from the context menu.

When you have to log into NetWare, right-click the N and select "NetWare Login."
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vee417Author Commented:
thanks for your response.

yes, i installed novell client v4.91.  maybe i don't understand the real purpose of novell.  i am just using it to access some files.  the thing is, i don't need to access these files all the time.  i only need to log in once in a while.  so i don't understand why novell has to control all these things on windows if i'm not even logged in or needing novell at all.

also, i already changed the "initial novell login" property to off.  a window still pops up asking for my windows password.  i had this problem before and someone told me a way to fix it but i can't remember.  it involved typing some command into the "run" window.
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dlp56Commented:
....maybe i don't understand the real purpose of novell

Hmmm,

Novell makes enterprise class networking solutions, and in the enterprise it is considered a security breach to allow unprotected access to your desktop, and certainly files on a network share need to be protected from unauthorized access. The purpose of the Novell client is to verify you have a right to access the network resources (files in your case.)

.....so i don't understand why novell has to control all these things on windows if i'm not even logged in or needing novell at al

Things like network logins usually occur at the session layer (layer 5) of the OSI Network Model, and these types of processes occur deep within the OS. Microsoft has chosen to require third party vendors to access this via their GINA, which you hadn't been using before you installed the Novell Client for Windows. Unfortunately, Novell does not have the right to change this for Microsoft, so you get the behavior you describe with the new login prompt.

You might check with the Network Manager where the files are located, there may be other ways to get access such as via a NetStorage or with Native File Access, and then you might be able to uninstall the client and still have access to the files.

But if the client is needed, then you will need to either get used to this new behavior or change to a different operating system. The Novell Client for Linux does not change the default startup behavior, but you need to perform a separate login to the Novell services. And with Mac OS X you can access the Novell network with AFP if the network administrator has configured this.

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ShineOnCommented:
If the Novell login is appearing by itself, that means you have a NetWare resource defined on your Windows PC, and something is referencing that resource.

If, for example, you have a NetWare-based file resource defined to Windows as a persistently-mapped (drive-letter) drive, Windows Explorer will want you to authenticate to the controlling system so it can access the resource - regardless of whether or not you want to access the resource.

This also happens if you have a NetWare-based network printer installed on your PC.  Just by virtue of starting up, Windows wants to make sure it can access all of the defined printers, so it goes out to the network to "touch" all the printers.  If you're not already logged in to NetWare, when Windows tries to access a NetWare-based printer, it will expect you to log in, so you can access it and Windows can "touch" it and make itself happy that it knows where its resources are.

So, if you don't want the Novell login box to pop up when you start Windows, you have to get rid of the pre-defined NetWare-based resources, so Windows doesn't try to "reach out and touch" them in the first place.  

If you must have mapped-drive access to a NetWare folder, for example, then your network administrator should have a login script that maps the drive for you, at login time.  You should NOT have it persistently-mapped through the Windows Explorer "Map Network Drive" process, and niether should you persistently map it locally through the Novell client's "Novell Map Network Drive" process, from the red N context menu.

If you have NetWare-based printer objects defined, you should set them to "offline" so Windows doesn't try to find them.

But, to dlp56's excellent point - if you're connected to a network at all, and you need no password to get in to access them, that's a major security breach by most standards.  If you have a Windows network in addition to the NetWare resoure you don't want to access unless you feel like it, and you can access all those resources without signing on or giving a password, then something is very wrong with your environment.

Heck, if it's a corporate-asset laptop/notebook computer you're using and you work disconnected most of the time, it's even worse.  There are horror-stories in abundance about people's company-owned laptops being lost or stolen, with sensitive information on them - and no security measures to protect that sensitive information.

I hope you don't work for the VA or the IRS or the SSA... ;)
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ShineOnCommented:
I also hope to dispel the notion that the Novell client "takes over" anything.

It *can* take over a whole lot, depending on your network configuration and what tools you have that leverage the Novell client.  However, in a minimal role, with "initial novell login" off, it's just there to provide access to  resources on NetWare/OES systems.  That's all.

It will not provide such access without authentication and authorization, but when not primary login provider, it will not attempt to authenticate/authorize or to access any NetWare/OES resources until Windows asks for it.

It is Windows that is causing the Novell login box to appear, because it has detected that something set ON YOUR PC is looking for a resource that it knows must be handed off to the Novell Client to provide.  If YOUR PC were not looking for something on a NetWare/OES server, the Novell login box would NOT appear.

Perhaps you took the "typical" installation method, instead of installing it "custom" and only selecting the protocol, method and options your network's configuration requires, deselecting all else.  If so, you should first find out the specifics of how you connect - TCP/IP or IPX/SPX, Bindery or NDS, and then uninstall the client and reinstall it Custom, selecting only the protocol you need, only the security model you need, and de-selecting all other components, including NMAS, (unless you're configured for NMAS methods like biometrics or some-such), NICI, and any other optional entry, making sure all the checkboxes are cleared that you can clear.

Then, set the initial novell login to off, also set "remember workstation only setting" to "on,  "workstation only" to "on", "workstation only default" to "on", "workstation only if not connected" to "on", unmap any drive letters that are locally mapped to the resources, and set all the NetWare-based printers to offline.  

This setup will have the Novell client sitting there in the background, waiting for Windows to request a NetWare-based resource, and if that doesn't happen, it will wait for you to right-click the N and select the login dialog yourself.

You'll still have the Ctrl-Alt-Del screen difference, and the start, shutdown menu difference, but if that's not more than a minor change you can adjust to, then you've got issues that I can't help you with, in my humble opinion...
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vee417Author Commented:
ok, thanks for the info!
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