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Dual boot system Windows 98 And Xp

So i'm going throug a lovely fase where i want to play all my old games, the very old ones who only work with windows 98. so i thought why not make a dual boot system?

first off i have a question, will windows 98 work on my pc. i have 2 gigs of ram and dual 7800gtx isn't that too much for windows 98? and aren't my videocards too fast for those old games to play.

back to the question at hand. i want to install windows 98 after i already installed xp is this possible and if so stable? i have 3 harddisks
1:500gb, My xp is installed on this disk.
2:400gb (empty)
3:150gb (empty)

isn't it possible for me to install windows 98 on the 400gb or the 150gb one , or make a partition on one of those too of approx 10gb so that i can choose on startup which os i want to come up.

srry for my sucky english,

thnx for the help, Constantijn
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I would personally use VMware or Virtual PC - in XP - and run Win98 in that:
http://www.vmware.com/products/ws/
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

Then - you don't need to install Windows 98 on new (and incompatible hardware)
With the setup you mention - I would definitely recommend against installing Win98 as a host (i.e. live) OS.
Also - if you have SATA hard disks - there is virtually no chance that these will work in Windows98.
Even using "native"/IDE mode from the bios setup.
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i have use virtual machine once, but the thing is you can't play games on virtual machine i'm afraid...
Actually - VMware has full Direct3D support. I don't know about VPC - but I have played old games on guest OS's - such as Windows 98 in VMware Workstation.
i'll go try it out and the you'll get your points;)
still have one question though vmware costs money, any free options except virtualpc coz that doesn't work
Ha - the one flaw in my argument! ;-)

I don't know of an alternative that gives 3D graphics support.
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VMWare Server is free ... and has the same Direct3D graphics support as VMWare Workstation.
http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

... You'll still find that many games don't work quite as well in a virtualized PC as they do in a "real" PC --> although if your system has hardware virtualization support the virtual PC will run very nicely.

As for your questions:

"...will windows 98 work on my pc." =>  From what you've described, probably not (see further comments).

"... i have 2 gigs of ram and dual 7800gtx isn't that too much for windows 98? " ==>  No, 2GB isn't too much.   It DOES require some "tweaking" of the .INI files for '98 to run in a system with 2GB ... but it works just fine.   (HOWEVER ... see next comment.)

"... and aren't my videocards too fast for those old games to play. " ==>  Whether they're too fast or not isn't the major issue.   The problem is more fundamental --> there are no Windows 9X drivers for nVidia 7xxxx series video cards.   So as a minimum you'd have to add a compatible video card.   But there's one other issue:  Your system most likely has a chipset that does not support '98 ... if that's the case, you simply can't install it.  

Bottom Line:   You most likely cannot install Windows 98, so I'd install it in a virtual machine using VMWare Server.

... Just to correct one earlier post, however, the chipset issue that precludes you installing '98 is NOT because of SATA drives -- it's due to other chipset incompatibilities.  The earlier comment r.e. SATA drives ["... Also - if you have SATA hard disks - there is virtually no chance that these will work in Windows98."] is not correct => if they're set to IDE mode in the BIOS they'll work just fine.   The following menu is from a system with SATA drives and 2GB of installed memory (and all of the installed OS's work just fine):




BING-Menu.jpg
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>> if they're set to IDE mode in the BIOS they'll work just fine.

Disagree wholeheartedly.
We have several Windows 98 system hanging around (for old program compatibility) - using old hardware - because new hardware - including both motherboards and using SATA drives are not recognised - we have some older motherboards with inital, early SATA support - and these don't work - even though we have compatible drivers for the chipset - and using IDE mode.

I only post on what I have seen before - that is all I can do.
DO NOT tell others that my comments are incorrect - when I have seen this in "real life".

>> if they're set to IDE mode in the BIOS they'll work just fine
Errr... no. It depends on a lot of things.
I suggest that your "experience" doesn't allow you to see all hardware that has ever been created.
Please do not assume that comments I make are incorrect.
What you should have said:
"[From what I have seen]...if they're set to IDE mode in the BIOS they'll work just fine"
Certainly agree that we are all influenced by our experiences --> but I've yet to see a system that, if set to IDE mode, wouldn't work with '98 IF the chipset was otherwise compatible.   There IS another element to that puzzle, however.   Win9X systems will not work with more than 4 ATA devices --> so the BIOS has to be set for "legacy" mode ATA devices (and you then have to choose which 4 devices will be "seen").   Otherwise it will not work regardless of the access mode that's set for the drives.   Obviously if a newer system with multiple SATA devices does not include a legacy ATA setting then it won't work.   But in those cases, the issue isn't that the drives are SATA ... it's that the system doesn't support legacy ATA access mode.  

I did not "assume" that your comment was incorrect -- your comment was pretty absolute ["... virtually no chance that these will work in Windows98 ..."] ==> and that is NOT correct.   Clearly there are cases where it won't work ... but there are many where it will as well.   I suspect you have simply not set legacy ATA mode in many of the instances where you've tried this.

... but in any event, that's all academic => in the case here the system almost certainly has chipset issues; and in any event has an incompatible video card.   So the best choice is to use VMWare Server :-)
thnks for all the comments but i've tried both vmware and virtualpc, but those programms don't have accelerated 3d support so i can't play the games:(
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thnks for the solution although i already thought of that but thnks for the effort i think i'll buy an old system.