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building a system from scratch

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im not the most knowledgeable person on computer specification but i want to build a system from scratch, i want it to be as high spec gaming wise as possible. i have seen the following spec for £800/$1600:

    *  Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
    * 2.13GHz, 1GHz FSB, 2MB Cache
    * Genuine Windows Vista(TM) Premium
    * 2048MB RAM Memory
    * 640GB Hard Drive
    *  Dual Layer DVD RW
    * 640MB nVidia GeForce 8800GTS
    * 8-In-1 Media Card Reader
    * 6 USB Connections
    * 2 No of PCI Slots

any thoughts on the quality of this system?
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Not the best of the best, but definitely top of the line!  You can't go wrong with lots of memory.
If anything, it seems like your skimping on the processor a bit.  Take a look at the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700, that one is probably the best processor for the money right now.  
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this one is 500 quid.....any thoughts...i took into account the e6700 but that wasnt an option, is the e6750 the one up?...

Black & Silver ATX Tower Case       
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6750 (2 x 2.66 GHZ) 1333FSB - 4 MB       
ASUS SKT-775 P5VD2-VM S/V/L M-ATX 1066FSB       
GEIL 2GB DDR2 800 CL4.0 DUAL CHANNEL BLACK DRAGON RET       
XpertVision 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT PCI-E HDMI       
350W PSU       
80 GB SATA HDD UDMA 300 7200 8MB       
ASUS DVD±RW 20x S-ATA DRW-2014L1T BLACK LIGHTSCRIBE (SATA)       
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL 5.1       
FAST 10/100 ETHERNET LAN (BROADBAND READY)       
10 X USB 2.0 Ports       
Speeze QuadroFlow VIII - Low Noise       
Generic 2.0 SPEAKER OG-S692B BLACK RET
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You are right a HDD is a box, the bigger the box the more you put in it.
Many of the games are on multiple DVDs' now.
Pick out which games you want and see exactly how much space you need.
Start off with around 10GB reserved for Operating System, Swapfile and misc requirements.

Cooling will also be important.  Get a good fan.  Cheaper ones are much more noisy.
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i would at least have 4 GB ram installed for gaming AND Vista; it just runs normally with 2 Gb installed and no gaming...
checxk the power you need here, and allow for a good margin :
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp      
...and one more thing : when you install Vista, do it with the card reader NOT connected - connect it later, otherwise it may steal the c: drive letter ( and up to F:)
thanks everybody for your help, it has been very much appreciated.

couple of things i think are vital, as mentioned earlier...CDirenzi i totally agree with your answer in regards to the HDD i already have an 80gig and i am barely touching it, however i know there are different rps on HDD does this create a better performance? i suppose with it being faster then general maintenance such as deleting and copying files will be faster, but does it have an affect on the general running of games? other than load times? this also applies to the dvd because i got a shitty cheap one, which i can afford to upgrade at a later stage?

i am really being as tight as a camels ass in a sandstorm here with this machine, thats why i did the custom build which didnt come with the following:

monitor
keyboard
mouse
large HDD
fast NIC
card readers
good dvd
os
additional software
i even got onboard sound because im not too botherd about sound

so all in all i can afford around £750/$1500 for a good system, that doesnt need to have the above, i have a genuine copy of Vista which isnt OEM, i dislike vista (however is there better performance for gaming in vista over XP? i assume there is?), so i can afford to spend on a good motherboard (as expandable as possible), processor, graphics card and processor (which are all the most expensive bits in most cases lol) however RAM is becoming increasingly cheap and i could go for 2 gig 800mhz and stick more in as i come into more wonga.....

http://www.computerplanet.co.uk/custom/ this is the website i will probably get it from, because it is highly customizable, if anybody wants to take a shot at designing what they think is expandable and high performance (baring in mind where you can hold back and let rip on with expensive parts) be my guest lol.

thanks very much again
i would choose for a sata drive, of at least 200 Gb sata2 at 3mb/s speed, they are the cheapest and fastest nowadays. if needed, fork out for a pci to sata card
>>   i already have an 80gig and i am barely touching it   <<  Vista will fill it up quickly ...
Correction on nobus' post - SATAII is 3Gbit/sec, or 300MBytes/sec burst speed.  The maximum sustained rate, which is a more useful performance number since burst rates only apply while the disk cache is being used, will be anywhere from 50 to 70MBytes/sec.

Faster rpm drives like the WD Raptor makes OS loads quicker and are also faster at random disk seeks.  Games can benefit whenever large textures are loaded at various points in the game, as well as periodic saves.
sorry for the slip-up - Callandor is right of cours
how about this? any forseable problems?:

Black & Silver ATX Tower Case       
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6750 (2 x 2.66 GHZ) 1333FSB - 4 MB       
XFX SKT-775 (MB-N780-ISH9) nForce 780i 1333FSB (Ultimate Gaming Board)       
4GB DDR2 PC-6400 800 MHZ (4 x 1 GB 800)       
XpertVision 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT SUPER+ PCI-E 2.0       
ThermalTake W0117RB 750W TOUGHPOWER BLK RET       
WD RAPTOR SATA 74GB UDMA 150 10000RPM 16MB       
ASUS DVD±RW 20x S-ATA DRW-2014L1T BLACK LIGHTSCRIBE (SATA)       
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL 5.1       
FAST 10/100 ETHERNET LAN (BROADBAND READY)       
10 X USB 2.0 Ports       
Speeze QuadroFlow VIII - Low Noise       
Generic 2.0 SPEAKER OG-S692B BLACK RET

p.s. in regards to HD this is best i could get while keeping it cheap, others would have knocked it up by £100/$200 and the next one below this was the

          500 GB SATA HDD UDMA 300 7200 16MB

It's looking very nice.  If the XpertVision  is clocked at 650MHz, it will be better than the regular 8800GT, and it sounds like you've got a lot of on-card memory.  Since you went with the Raptor for speed, you can wait for hard drive prices to drop if you need additional capacity in the future.  Build it!
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excellent, thanks alot guys, it has been very helpful indeed! i will keep you all posted on how the build guys and what the performance is like....i will just use xp pro to start with then when i get another slave drive with extra capacity i will parition vista onto that drive and have dual boot, one for gaming and one for work because i hate navigating through vista to do work !!! (could just use virtual machine for the xp though i suppose, less hassle) anyway lol thanks everyone.......much love