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Motherboard USB connectors MS 6511
More USB mainboard connections problems. Not sure which wires to connect to the pins.
I've got a mainboard MS 6511 on which the USB connector box has five pins in one row next to the slot and three in the other row opposite the 2nd, 3rd and 5th pins counting from the left as I look at the black rectangular box with the slot at the top...
slot
1 2 3 4 5
2 3 5
The original plug in the box I took this mainboard out of has
black grey/black Blue Black Yellow
White Green Red
These colors correspond to the positions 1 2 3 4 5 etc
White is opposite 2, green 3 and red opposite 5
The box I'm fitting it to has separate connectors on each wire
Red, U+
Brown, U-
Orange Ground
Black VCC
If anyone can help me identify the pins to connect these wires to I'd be very grateful.
Didn't find a manual for MS 6511 and although I found a lot of sites with different examples I haven't found this 8 pin USB slot anywhere...I don't think there's a pin broken but that might explain things. However I've tried ( reading from right to left - Power, D- D+ Gnd 5 4 3 2 and it doesn't work...
I know this USB slot worked OK in its original box.
Any help gratefully accepted
Keith
I've got a mainboard MS 6511 on which the USB connector box has five pins in one row next to the slot and three in the other row opposite the 2nd, 3rd and 5th pins counting from the left as I look at the black rectangular box with the slot at the top...
slot
1 2 3 4 5
2 3 5
The original plug in the box I took this mainboard out of has
black grey/black Blue Black Yellow
White Green Red
These colors correspond to the positions 1 2 3 4 5 etc
White is opposite 2, green 3 and red opposite 5
The box I'm fitting it to has separate connectors on each wire
Red, U+
Brown, U-
Orange Ground
Black VCC
If anyone can help me identify the pins to connect these wires to I'd be very grateful.
Didn't find a manual for MS 6511 and although I found a lot of sites with different examples I haven't found this 8 pin USB slot anywhere...I don't think there's a pin broken but that might explain things. However I've tried ( reading from right to left - Power, D- D+ Gnd 5 4 3 2 and it doesn't work...
I know this USB slot worked OK in its original box.
Any help gratefully accepted
Keith
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keithbraithwaite
This link here will show you a variety of USB layouts which may help you
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/BelkinMotherboard_cable_assembly.htm
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/BelkinMotherboard_cable_assembly.htm
what brand is the pc? Medion? look at the manufacturer's site for info, or manual
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I already have the USB layouts page and others printed out. No mention of this specific header nor the four colours I have in this box.
The make of the box can't help since the mainboard is not the original one - it's an MS 6511 and as Garycase says, can't find the manual.
Good idea to try for the 5 volts output - find a ground too - I'll try that and get back to you
Thanks
Keith
The make of the box can't help since the mainboard is not the original one - it's an MS 6511 and as Garycase says, can't find the manual.
Good idea to try for the 5 volts output - find a ground too - I'll try that and get back to you
Thanks
Keith
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... I'm quite confident the pinout above is correct => but I DID find it on a forum, and have not actually used a board with this pinout ... so I'd measure the pin shown as Vcc to confirm that's indeed where the +5 volts is. That would seem a pretty good confirmation that the pinout shown is correct.
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I was busy finding the 5 volts and ground pins when your two postings arrived. I'd found the 5 volts on the pin indicated in your "found the details !!" posting and I'd found a ground. I guessed that the 2 and 3 pins on my lower line were the data pins since they are often found together on other USB headers - and bingo - I got the C/G Windows "found" music. When I got back to my email I found your other two postings which confirmed the setup.
Many thanks.
Why didn't I find the Packard Bell page???
I've added this setup to my hoard.
One thing intrigues me. I presume that in the original setup the 5v pin was common to the two front end USB sockets.
Many thanks.
Why didn't I find the Packard Bell page???
I've added this setup to my hoard.
One thing intrigues me. I presume that in the original setup the 5v pin was common to the two front end USB sockets.
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Sorry... I just saw your last sentence... you'd already seen the need for taking the 5v from the same pin. I'll just block off one of the sockets...
You're most welcome. Sometimes simple little details can be harder to find than they should be :-)
"... I'll just block off one of the sockets... " ==> Since your wires are all independent, it would be very easy to simply combine the +5v wires from the case to a single pin [strip a bit of the insulation from one a bit behind the pin; cut the pin off the other; strip it a bit; and solder it to the other wire ... insulate with a bit of electrical tape and you've got both USB ports active].
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OK... I know I'm lazy :)
I wondered if it would be OK to take the 5v from the front panel switch block which is just next to the USB header.
I noticed on the page you sent http://support.packardbell.com/se/item/index.php?i=instr_explorer_jumpers&pi=platform_odyssey_legendimedia there wasn't a drawing of the USB header. Did I miss something?
I wondered if it would be OK to take the 5v from the front panel switch block which is just next to the USB header.
I noticed on the page you sent http://support.packardbell.com/se/item/index.php?i=instr_explorer_jumpers&pi=platform_odyssey_legendimedia there wasn't a drawing of the USB header. Did I miss something?
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In my defence I should say that the wires weren't independant... I'd cut up the block connector for one set in order to make one socket work. three of the other wires are still in their block with only the other ground wire separate. I might try anyway if I can find the time
No, you didn't miss anything => Packard Bell didn't bother to show the pinouts of the USB header. I did some real searching and found a post in an obscure forum that had the details :-)
It's fine to use any 5v pin that you don't need for other purposes -- the 5v on the front panel connection is fine. I agree it's a pain => I used to do a lot of soldering; building my own cables; etc. ... but in recent years that seems like a lot more effort than it's worth !! Depends on whether or not you care if both USB connections in front work :-)
It's fine to use any 5v pin that you don't need for other purposes -- the 5v on the front panel connection is fine. I agree it's a pain => I used to do a lot of soldering; building my own cables; etc. ... but in recent years that seems like a lot more effort than it's worth !! Depends on whether or not you care if both USB connections in front work :-)
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I confirm that picking up the 5v on the front panel header works fine.
I also discovered that the pointed feelers on my voltage checker are ideal tools for opening the USB plug blocks...
The 5v test has already helped me to find the arrangement on yet another old box I have under repair...
All's well that ends well
Many thanks
Keith
I also discovered that the pointed feelers on my voltage checker are ideal tools for opening the USB plug blocks...
The 5v test has already helped me to find the arrangement on yet another old box I have under repair...
All's well that ends well
Many thanks
Keith
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I'm going to ask another question aboiut USB problems.
A few years back I had a lot of different pinout plans on a bit of paper which I've since lost.
I've found a few on the web but none which correspond to my new problems...
I'm going to ask the question right away
A few years back I had a lot of different pinout plans on a bit of paper which I've since lost.
I've found a few on the web but none which correspond to my new problems...
I'm going to ask the question right away
But assuming you're correct and there's not a missing pin (#4 on the 2nd row), then it's reasonably certain that 2 & 3 are the data pins. So the only real question is whether the Vcc is on pin 1, 4, or 5 (I'd guess pin 1). The best thing to do is to power up the board and measure pins 1, 4, & 5 against ground with a multimeter. You should see +5 volts on the Vcc pin.
... if Pin 1 shows +5 volts, then I'd try 1 - Vcc; 2 - D-; 3 - D+; 4 - Gnd