I cannot change permissions or access several files

I'm trying to backup a website, however there are a few files that I cannot access.  I tried using the cpanel file manager and ftp.  I get permission denied, in ftp the attributes are 660 (owner and group can read/write).  If I try changing this I get access denied.  I tried logging in with the primary ftp account, and then created a new ftp, neither will let me access the files.
Any ideas?
innovateusaAsked:
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rslqldConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Generally via SSH. This is not possible via cPanel (from my experience) or any half way secure FTP installation. So if you don't have shell access you may need to get your webhost to chown the directory/files in question.
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rslqldCommented:
What is the current owner and group set to?
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innovateusaAuthor Commented:
ah.. it's set to user "3206" and group "3206" while everything else is set to the regular ftp login user.    Should I try creating an ftp user called 3206 or do you know where to find that user in cpanel?  
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innovateusaAuthor Commented:
I tried setting up 3206 as ftp, it still has the same permissions as my regular login.  I also tried making a full backup from cpanel, it made a tar file of the entire site except for those files with the 3206 permission.  
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elf_binCommented:
So the files are owned by a user called 3206 or uid=3206?  Simple way to test, create a user with uid of 3206 by using the -u parameter of adduser.  Then login as said person and attempt to read/write to the files.
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rslqldCommented:
As above ^^
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innovateusaAuthor Commented:
where do I use the the adduser -u?  In ftp or in cpanel somewhere?  
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elf_binConnect With a Mentor Commented:
At the command-line. (I assume you can get a sdhell on the host machine)  It's very easy to use.  From the man page:
useradd [-c comment] [-d home_dir] [-e expire_date] [-f inactive_time] [-g initial_group] [-G group[,...]] [-m [-k skeleton_dir] | -M] [-n] [-o] [-p passwd] [-r] [-l] [-s shell] [-u uid] login
So you could do something like:
useradd -c "I am just trying this to cure a problem" -d /home/tester -g testusers -p testerpassword -u 3206 testuser
You should note that most parts of useradd have defaults (usually in somewhere like /etc/defaults/useradd).  Read the man page for additional information.  It's probably a good idea to ensure the group (-g and -G parameters - a member can belong to more than one group) already exists before you add the user (it just makes it easier).
The advantages of using the command-line native tools:
1) You will ultimately get a better unbderstanding of linux and how it works.
2) Generally they work across distributions.
3) A GUI is layered on top of the core, so when problems occur, the GUI may not be available.  The same principles apply to GUI admin tools like webmin or cPanel.
4) Often (but not always) it's easier and quicker to use.
5) They can be scripted (automated).
6) Since the user add is seperate from where the account information is stored, the same program(s) can be used to manage account information that stored in different ways (but this is not always true).
I'd strongly urge you to use command-line, I think it'll pay back time and time again.
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innovateusaAuthor Commented:
I did chown -R at at the shell, that fixed it
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