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Need Help Selecting Backup Software for Dell RD1000
Posted on 2008-06-10
Hello,
I am about two purchase two external Dell RD1000 removable disk drives to backup two different servers. I am looking for advice on which backup software I should buy bundled with the drives. This is going to be a long question, so I thank you for taking the time to read it. First let me describe the two servers.
My web server is an older PowerEdge 600SC running W2K Server SP4 that is currently being backed up to an internal PowerVault DDS4 tape drive. I run a SQL server database on this server and am using BackUp Exec version 8.6 with the SQL option so I can backup the database.
My second server is a file server and it is a Dell PowerEdge R300 (1U rackmount) that is running SBS 2003. I currently use the s/w that comes with SBS to backup the server to a NAS device and an external HDD.
I considered tape drives and the RD1000 and decided on the RD1000 thanks to an earlier question I posted. I need two separate devices because the two servers are on different networks and cannot share a device. Here is Dell's description of my software options:
"An express version of Yosemite backup software is included in your purchase of RD1000. However, If you plan to deploy SQL, Exchange or would like to boot from CD to perform DR from the RD1000 or backup multiple servers, it is recommended you upgrade to Yosemite Enhanced Pro or one of the following Symantec product options listed below.
Symantec Backup Exec v12 Quickstart Edition Suite [add $37]
Yosemite Backup Basic Suite [add $29]
YOSEMITE BACKUP ENHANCED PRO SUITE [add $224]
Symantec Backup Exec v12 Server Suite [add $337]
Symantec Backup Exec v8 System Recovery SBS Edition Protection Suite [add $337]
Symantec Backup Exec v8 System Recovery Server Edition Protection Suite [add $636]
Symantec Backup Exec v12 Multi-Server Suite [add $524]
Symantec Backup Exec v12 DataBase Server Suite [add $1,049]"
Which ones should I get? There are too many choices! I will say that the last three options are really beyond my budget. I do not run Exchange or Sharepoint on my SBS server, so I do not need the SBS Edition.
The cost to upgrade my current Veritas 8.6 is almost prohibitive. I think after version 10 they really raised the prices for features like SQL database, Open File, and Disaster Recovery. Does anyone know if I can continue to use my Veritas 8.6 on the web server with the new RD1000? Will the old software recognize the external drives as a backup device? That would be the ideal solution.
If you had to chose between Symantec and Yosemite for the RD1000, which would you chose? It would be nice to have some type of Bare Metal/Disaster Recovery for the file server.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!! I would like to spend as little on the s/w as feasible, so I can use the savings towards buying additional RD1000 disks.
I am about two purchase two external Dell RD1000 removable disk drives to backup two different servers. I am looking for advice on which backup software I should buy bundled with the drives. This is going to be a long question, so I thank you for taking the time to read it. First let me describe the two servers.
My web server is an older PowerEdge 600SC running W2K Server SP4 that is currently being backed up to an internal PowerVault DDS4 tape drive. I run a SQL server database on this server and am using BackUp Exec version 8.6 with the SQL option so I can backup the database.
My second server is a file server and it is a Dell PowerEdge R300 (1U rackmount) that is running SBS 2003. I currently use the s/w that comes with SBS to backup the server to a NAS device and an external HDD.
I considered tape drives and the RD1000 and decided on the RD1000 thanks to an earlier question I posted. I need two separate devices because the two servers are on different networks and cannot share a device. Here is Dell's description of my software options:
"An express version of Yosemite backup software is included in your purchase of RD1000. However, If you plan to deploy SQL, Exchange or would like to boot from CD to perform DR from the RD1000 or backup multiple servers, it is recommended you upgrade to Yosemite Enhanced Pro or one of the following Symantec product options listed below.
Symantec Backup Exec v12 Quickstart Edition Suite [add $37]
Yosemite Backup Basic Suite [add $29]
YOSEMITE BACKUP ENHANCED PRO SUITE [add $224]
Symantec Backup Exec v12 Server Suite [add $337]
Symantec Backup Exec v8 System Recovery SBS Edition Protection Suite [add $337]
Symantec Backup Exec v8 System Recovery Server Edition Protection Suite [add $636]
Symantec Backup Exec v12 Multi-Server Suite [add $524]
Symantec Backup Exec v12 DataBase Server Suite [add $1,049]"
Which ones should I get? There are too many choices! I will say that the last three options are really beyond my budget. I do not run Exchange or Sharepoint on my SBS server, so I do not need the SBS Edition.
The cost to upgrade my current Veritas 8.6 is almost prohibitive. I think after version 10 they really raised the prices for features like SQL database, Open File, and Disaster Recovery. Does anyone know if I can continue to use my Veritas 8.6 on the web server with the new RD1000? Will the old software recognize the external drives as a backup device? That would be the ideal solution.
If you had to chose between Symantec and Yosemite for the RD1000, which would you chose? It would be nice to have some type of Bare Metal/Disaster Recovery for the file server.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!! I would like to spend as little on the s/w as feasible, so I can use the savings towards buying additional RD1000 disks.
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Backup Exec supports a backup media type called "Backup-to-disk". Basically what this does is backup files to an on-disk archive as files. The backup to disk folder location can be a local disk or SMB share path. This may be the best option for you if you do not wish to upgrade.
*note* Backup-to-disk folder do not support hardware compression, be sure to configure all jobs that backup to a B2D folder to sue software compression or you will have lots of wasted space.
*note* Backup-to-disk folder do not support hardware compression, be sure to configure all jobs that backup to a B2D folder to sue software compression or you will have lots of wasted space.
Hello again MrChip2...
raptorjb007 is on the right track here. Check your current installation for "Removable Backup to Disk" under the devices tab. It does have to be "Removable", not just the normal "Backup to Disk". If that is there, it *should* support it. The RD1000 for the most part is handled by the OS as a removable drive, no different than a USB drive you would plug into it. So have it plugged in and you should be able to create a removable B2D backup target that points to that drive letter.
raptorjb007 is on the right track here. Check your current installation for "Removable Backup to Disk" under the devices tab. It does have to be "Removable", not just the normal "Backup to Disk". If that is there, it *should* support it. The RD1000 for the most part is handled by the OS as a removable drive, no different than a USB drive you would plug into it. So have it plugged in and you should be able to create a removable B2D backup target that points to that drive letter.
Thanks raptorjb007 and akirhol,
This is good news. Not having to upgrade the software on my W2K Web Server will save a lot of money. Plus I already know how to use it!
What about my new server that is running Windows 2003 SBS? Do you think I can run version 8.6 on this new operating system? If not, which of the s.w packages offered by Dell would you recommend? Again, I do not use Exchange, SharePoint or any database on the new server.
This is good news. Not having to upgrade the software on my W2K Web Server will save a lot of money. Plus I already know how to use it!
What about my new server that is running Windows 2003 SBS? Do you think I can run version 8.6 on this new operating system? If not, which of the s.w packages offered by Dell would you recommend? Again, I do not use Exchange, SharePoint or any database on the new server.
The Symantec QuickStart will probably get you by if you aren't looking for any additional features beyond a flat file backup. I'm not even sure if QuickStart supports system state though to be honest, that's something I'd have to refer you to Symantec on. I doubt if 8.6 is going to have much in the way of compatibility with Win2k3 SBS but it may be worth a shot before diving into something.
Something else to keep in mind, while Dell will offer "best effort" support for the product, they will be unable to leverage support from Symantec as they will flat out refuse support to anything prior to BackupExec 10.
Something else to keep in mind, while Dell will offer "best effort" support for the product, they will be unable to leverage support from Symantec as they will flat out refuse support to anything prior to BackupExec 10.
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