Shutting down RAC Oracle database not the Instance

Guys

I have a 2 node RAC Cluster 10g with ASM I want to do a COLD backup of the database.

Now I am able to use ftp to connect to the ASM instance which would give me access to the datafiles but this is only possible while the instance is running.

I was told to shutdown the database and not the instance so I use
srvctl stop database -d IT2B
but this shutsdown the database and instance

what is confusing me is that there is also a
srvctl stop instance -d IT2B -I IT2B1

command which seems to also do the same thing

Am I doing something wrong I need the database stopping but the instances still running

Any Ideas

Darren
DarrenJacksonAsked:
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DarrenJacksonAuthor Commented:
Schwertner / Rolutola from my experiences over this week I am thinking that it is impossible to do a cold backup of a rac 2 node instance using ASM.

How ever I have found maybe the best solution to this problem is for me to utilise the RMAN hot backup method as described in this doc from metallink  doc id 415579.1 How to Restore Rman Disk backups of RAC database to a single instance on another node.

As always I am very gratefull for any help that I am given so will award points according to posts
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schwertnerCommented:
You have to restrict the access of all RAC nodes to the ASM instance for the time you do the cold backup.
Or even shut them down what is the clasic approach.
If you can get the list of the files it will be easier to do the job.
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Richard OlutolaConsultantCommented:
I believe the converse is true. i.e you can shut down the instance but not the database.

Imagine you have multiple instance all accessing the same database. If you shut down the database then all the instances are useless. However, you can selectively shutdown individual instances while the database reamins available to the running instances. Does this make sense?

To take a COLD backup using whatever means, you must shutdown the database which also shutsdown the instances. Even if you RMAN, you still need to shutdown all instances accessing the database otherwise you get errors.

Richard.
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DarrenJacksonAuthor Commented:
schwertner / richard

Thank you for you time

Schwertner is asking for the files is this the datafiles list your after?
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schwertnerCommented:
Yes, backups are based on datafiles. It is physical backup. This means datafiles.

Another way is to Export (by restricted database), but this is not backup, this is a snapshot...
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Richard OlutolaConsultantCommented:
v$datafile will give you a list of all your datafiles.
v$controlfile for you control files etc.

R.
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schwertnerCommented:
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Richard OlutolaConsultantCommented:
DarrenJackson,

For the benefit of anyone reading this thread in future, I forgot to mention that if you use ASM, then you MUST use RMAN for either cold or hot backup. This is because ASM uses OMF.

Therefore, for those not comfortable with RMAN or who have reasons not to use RMAN, they should not deploy ASM.

R.
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