NTP commands in IOS 12.4T?

Where are they/where'd they go!? Lol

I've never noticed this before, but they're not there in 12.4(15)T7. Only sntp. What's up with that!?

Platform is C850.
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PugglewuggleAuthor Commented:
Yeah, that's a 2800... this particular one is an 850... I had worked with 12.4T on the 1800 and 2800 routers and never noticed NTP being gone...
I'm running advanced security on an 851W. I previously had  124-4.T5 for the 850 and that DID have NTP, so when I upgraded and I checked the sh ntp ass and it said command not recognized I was just kind of like "huh?"
It looks like the 851 stopped supporting NTP at 124-6.T11
I just don't understand why Cisco would do something this stupid. Other than to sell more stuff... they have been ripping features just to sell stuff a whole lot lately and I'm getting really, really tired of it... look at the new Call Manager licensing for example... You have to license 6 lines to a 7960 phone or you can't use it at all (Even if you don't use 2 lines).
I mean, come on, how much space can NTP possibly take that they can't squeeze a few more bytes onto a 11MB image for a 20MB flash? Ridiculous...
And no DD-WRT for me... it's an unstable joke in my opinion. Cisco Cisco Cisco. :)
Arrgghhh! Cisco, you're so good and yet you suck so bad!
what router image are you using?
PugglewuggleAuthor Commented:
Okay, I know that they do not have it in the image, I'm just asking why the heck not!? WTF is the point of getting rid of NTP and leaving SNTP?
Is Cisco crazy?
(BTW I already checked the FN - i know that's what you were going to do...)
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Sorry, I thought you were asking why it didn't technically, not philosophically :)

That is pretty dumb, though.  It looks like there is only one 12.4 image that works on that too.  I think it's a ploy to make you by a more expensive router.  Well, Just for the heck of it, here's a cool article about how to make a consumer grade router have most features that Cisco routers have:


Works with my router
System image file is "flash:c2800nm-ipvoicek9-mz.124-15.T7.bin"
What feature set are you trying to use?

ROUTER#sho ntp assoc

      address         ref clock     st  when  poll reach  delay  offset    disp
*~  6x.2x.52.xx      3    45    64  377     1.2   -0.04     0.1
 * master (synced), # master (unsynced), + selected, - candidate, ~ configured

ROUTER(config)#ntp ?
  access-group        Control NTP access
  authenticate        Authenticate time sources
  authentication-key  Authentication key for trusted time source
  broadcastdelay      Estimated round-trip delay
  clock-period        Length of hardware clock tick
  logging             Enable NTP message logging
  master              Act as NTP master clock
  max-associations    Set maximum number of associations
  peer                Configure NTP peer
  server              Configure NTP server
  source              Configure interface for source address
  trusted-key         Key numbers for trusted time sources
  update-calendar     Periodically update calendar with NTP time

lrmoore: you're using a 2800 router.  He is using one of those much smaller 850 series mainly meant for SOHO installations
PugglewuggleAuthor Commented:
Okay - I'm usually the one answering questions but now I'm stuck. I increased the points too.
I deleted the 12.4(15)T7 and uploaded 12.4(6)T11 so I could get NTP back on the device.
In my rush I forgot to verify the checksum of the image and rebooted with a corrupt image.
I've now tried every combination of sending breaks before boot, after boot, and during boot and I cannot get into ROMMON mode to upload the 12.4(6)T11 image with XMODEM over the console cable.
I'm used to just sending breaks and it will immediately stop the boot and go into ROMMON. Instead, ROMMON never comes up and the boot just fails with the well known checksum failed, corrupt image, blah blah message.
Any ideas? If I can just get ROMMON I'll be good to go.
PugglewuggleAuthor Commented:
Ahh nevermind. Finally got it to work.
Hmmm. Stupid missing NTP.
PugglewuggleAuthor Commented:
Maybe they'll put NTP back in IOS 12.5.
Yeah right. I guess I'll keep dreaming.
Thanks and cheers! :)
how do you accept your own answer?
PugglewuggleAuthor Commented:
You click accept answer right next to your post - it's just not worth anything... kind of like a cancel.
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