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Install XP Pro sp1 with a sp 2 cd after that, but the system want see but 131 gb of a 250 gb hard drive. Is there any way of installing the enter 250 gb on C: drive instead of partitioning the hard drive in half?
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If you really want to have a system drive of more than 131gb then you can slipstream SP2 as detailed at http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp.

Personallly, Id stick with a seperate system partition and data partition - it makes system and data recovery much simpler.
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KCTS, I tried slipstreaming a cd a few weeks ago with know success. The problem though is some of my customers dont understand the filing system and some will fill up 131 gb. Maybe I will go try and find a coperate version of XP Pro with SP2/

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It would be far preferable to have a smaller system partition and then just relocate "My Documents" to the other partition - the users could still access their data through My Documents as before.

If you really must have a 250Gb system partition then you should be able to slipsteam the CD providing that you follow the instructions carefully to creat a new bootable CD. The only other option (apart from using a XPSP2 CD), is to install and then use a 3rd party utility such as GParted or BootITNG to extend the partition after the install.
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First, I agree it's much better to have separate OS and data partitions -- and 131GB is FAR too large for the OS partition.   If you do that, it's simple to overcome the 28-bit LBA restriction of your original media:  Install to a reasonable size partition (30-50GB); update to SP2; and then create a data partition with the rest of the disk.

... But your question (and your subsequent comments) indicate you simply want one partition for the full 250GB.   To do that, just do this:

(a)  Install XP to a modest size partition (50GB is plenty -- you could also use the full 131GB as now, but it's faster if you keep the partition smaller).

(b)  Update XP through at least SP2  [May as well do all of the updates at this point].

(c)  Download the free demo version of Boot-It NG [http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm ]  and make a bootable CD.

(d)  Boot to Boot-It.   Select CANCEL at the first prompt; then OK.   Then click on Partition Work.  Highlight your current partition (should already be highlighted); click on ReSize (on the right side); and when prompted for the new size, select the maximum size.

... a few seconds later you'll have a single partition using the entire disk :-)    Just remove the Boot-It CD and reboot the system.   [XP will require one more reboot after it detects the "new" disk -- do that and you're done.]
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Gary
I made the Boot-it NG cd but when I booted from the cd the current partition wasn't highlighted the cd rom drive was so when I changed to the c:drive resize wasn't lit up. To make a long story short I screwed up and now it want boot so I am reinstalling the operating system XP Pro SP 1 then I am going to do all the updates  including SP 2 I have from a cd. I understand that 50 GB on the C;drive would make the system run better. My question is this. Is there a way to make by default the My Documents folder and the "Programs folder  point to the larger drive D: ?
Also your comment about "If you do that, it's simple to overcome the 28-bit LBA restriction of your original media:"  Can you please explain what you mean by that?
I am also having some problems in device manager with some items or drivers not being installed.  Keep in mind that this is a Intel 940 3.2 ghz dual core 64 bit cpu, so cket LGA775, 800 mhz FSB, 2 x 2 meg cache. The hard drive is SATA II and the DVD RW is SATA also, if that helps or means anything.

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Bobby
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KCTS ,
AS you said, "then just relocate "My Documents" to the other partition - the users could still access their data through My Documents as before" ........ Would that default to that My Documents folder  or  would they have to navigate to the D: drive then to My Documents?

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Very simply way to relocate My Documents ==> Just right-click on My Documents; select Properties; click on Move; and choose where you want the My Documents folder.   BEFORE you do that, create a folder on the D: drive that you want to use as the destination [For example, mine is called "Gary's Stuff"].

You don't need to move the Programs folder -- 50GB is PLENTY for XP and all of the programs you're likely to install !!

Your original XP disk only supports 28-bit logical block addressing -- that's why it can't "see" a drive larger than 128GB (in "computer-ese" -- 137GB in "disk-maker-ese").    Once you update XP to SP1 (and of course you've updated it to SP2 or SP3) it will support 48-bit logical block addressing ... so it will "see" any modern drive, no matter what the size.

Is Boot-It not seeing any of your hard drives??   You may need to alter some of the settings when you create the Boot-It CD ==> although if you're just going to leave the OS partition at 50GB and create the 2nd partition from XP's disk management you won't need Boot-It here.   Let me know if you want to explore why this didn't "see" your partition correctly.

As for the Device Manager issues => After you install XP, you need to install the chipset drivers for your motherboard;  then the NIC (network interface) adapter; then the video drivers; and then the drivers for your sound card [Any of these that XP "knows" about won't be necessary].   I'd download the full-install version of SP2 (on another PC) and install it first ==> the update may in fact "know" about some of these devices.   If you still have unknowns in Device Manager after installing SP2, then you'll need to download those drivers if you don't already have copies.   Here's the SP2 download you need:  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en

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Gary, since I already installed XP Pro with the 131 gb can I also reduce the size of the partition withBoot-It CD?
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Yes, Boot-It will resize the partition as long as it can "see" the disk okay  [Your previous comment indicated there may be an issue with that -- but I'm sure it's easily resolvable].
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It shows the hard drive with 238gb free space but resize is grayed out
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should i install it on the hard drive? It seems after I get to the page where it shows the hard drive and free space it locks up or not lock up because i can move my mouse. The program seem to stop responding to anything i click on.
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This is often due to a setting in the BIOS --> especially if you're using a USB mouse.   See if your BIOS has a setting for USB mouse support or a USB legacy support.

Does the keyboard work okay in Boot-It?   Try the tab key and see if it moves the selected item.

Also, post EXACTLY what the Partition Work screen shows for your hard drive.   For example, for the following screen, you would post this:

MBR Entry 0     Partition   80003MB  HPFS/NTFS
MBR Entry 1     Partition  225239MB  HPFS/NTFS



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Also note how MBR Entry 0 is highlighted in the display above => that's how your partition has to look before you'll see the Resize option.
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OK i Beleive I have it....In the work with partitions window.
The top partition is name system with 49999 mb HPFS?NTFS
The second partition is named Data with 188474mb HPFS/NTFS

What do I do from here. I clicked properties and it said that neither of the partitions where bootable. Is that what it is suppose to say?.
I think I am doing all this for nothing since I can from setup pick the c drive to be 50gb and then make another partition using the rest of the disk. Having said that, I haev already installed the operating system and would like to not have to format and reinstall a third time if I dont have to. I know it is getting late so if I dont hear from you tonight I am going to see what it does when I reboot. But I would like to get one of these PC's to work with kust one drive letter at full capacity just for my sake. I have 3 PC's to do this with so I can learn on one of them.

Thanks for your patients
Bobby
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Dang it! When I rebooted I got "ERROR LOADING OPERATING SYSTEM"

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I am going to leave it like this tell tomorrow and see if you have any input. I put the Boot In CD back in and am recovering. It show for different partitions , one with Linux so I am deleting it. To tell you the truth I dont knwo what the heck I am doing in this program. But these are new PC's and I can always reinstall ifr I have to. I am brain dead for tonight.

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"... To tell you the truth I dont knwo what the heck I am doing in this program ..." ==>  It is a bit "geeky."   If you're not sure what you're doing, you shouldn't do anything except look !!   You must have taken some action earlier if it messed up the boot partition.

If your sole goal is 50GB for XP, the rest for data, I'd just boot to the XP install CD; delete ALL of the current partitions when you get to the screen that shows the disk structure;  then create a 50GB partition; install XP; do the updates; and then create the other partition from Disk Management.   No need for Boot-It.   But Boot-It IS worth understanding ... so if you get a chance check the BIOS (as I noted before) for USB mouse support and see if you can use it successfully.   As long as you select CANCEL for the first prompt; then OK, you can "look around" without doing anything at all to the disk.
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OK Gary, you're right. I didn't lose anything as for as partitions go and I loaded XP Pro  SP 1 onto the 50 GB partition and did all the updates and went to disk management and created the other partition. Here is my other problem. Seems like some oth driver or not loading or need updated. I took a sreen shot of device manager for some feed back.

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Jus in case you dont see it, scroll down alot. For some reason it went way down there.  One more question and I hope I am done with this PC. Do I make a Primary partition or an extended partition?

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Make a Primary partition for the 2nd partition => there's no reason to ever used extended partitions unless you need more than 4 partitions on a drive (it's much easier to manipulate primary partitions if you ever need to do any data recovery).

As for Device Manager --- you need to install the chipset drivers for your board ... they're available here:  http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1416
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Thanks alot Gary. I gotta go for a bit. The game is about to start. Be back later tonight.
 Go Tigers!

Bobby
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If you look at at the screen shot of device manager, and when going to the website that GaryCase linked me to, I dont see or understand what drivers I need to download. One other question. this PC is built for 64 bit but I am installing XP Pro SP 1 then upgrading to SP 2. But it is still a 32 bit operating system, right? If I am correct shoould that even matter and if not how can I get rid of the problems in device manager. The PC seems to be running great even with the errors in device manager but I just dont like seeing errors if I can avoid them. I have the driver instalation cd that came with the motherboard but it doesn't correct the problem and when I try to update the problems using windows updates it cant be found. Any ideas or maybe  Gary you can tell me exactly where to go once I click on the link.
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On the page i dont see where i would go to download the Intel 82945G Express chipset family or the Intel(R) 82801 GB PCI Express Root Port 27D0. It was Root Port 27D2 before I installed the updated drivers. Seems like there is a conflict or one of the two is in use. The standard floppy disk controller i can maybe understand becaude I dont have a floppy drive.
Any help would the greatly  appreciated because If I can figure this one out I should be able to do the other PCwhcih is just like this PC without any problems.
Thanks for reading
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i think i know what the problem is but i am not sure how to fix it. The XP Pro SP 1 edition is a 32 bit operating system. Can it be loaded with the hardware system that i have ?

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Yes, it can be loaded with no problem.
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Well I still have the same problems in device manager as before.  Any other ideas?

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After installing that video driver device manager still looks the same here is a screen shot of device manager after the install
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The video seems to be running and looking fine , the floppy drive in can understand because I dont have a floppy drive. The PCI Root Port is sometrhing i dont understand. I dont have anything in any pci slots if that means anything

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The chipset driver is clearly not correctly installed.   I'd start over --> re-install XP; then immediately install the chipset driver; then the video driver;  and THEN do the requisite updates, etc.   Somewhere along the way an incorrect driver has been installed here.
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Gary, guess what?. I took the other PC which is exactly like the other one and have the same problem in device manager.

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Hello,

Sorry for such the long delay but life goes on. What has happened since the last few comments has  been this. I tried installing the last driver that Garycase requested to a avail. If interested scroll up and there is a screen shot  of device manager and it still looks the exact way. What I am adding to this post is what I get when I right click on each problem device and left click properties. I have put all three of them on the desktop and took a screen shot. I sure hope this will help.
Also since my last comments the usb ports or not working anymore. I think I can understand why, but I was wondering why they worked in the first place and what made them stop working. What has happened since last was I installed alot of windows updates.

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Bobby
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This is a brand new PC. I have no problem with starting over ftom the begining if that is easier and will make the PC run right. I have been beating on this thing for days with different drivers and none seem to fix the problem. I have the motherboatd intalation cd with the drivers on it. But, that is what I used the first time I formatted and install XP Pro with SP 1. Then install the drivers from the cd, then all the updates from microsoft. All except service pack 3. I have been told not to install SP 3. Does anybody agree or disagree with that. Anyway I am about ready to put in the CP Pro cd and format the PC unless someone here knows what else I can do to get the correct drivers or could this be a hatdware or Operating system problem. But I have had the same problem with 2 identical PC's
All  input would be appreaciated.

Bobby
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Since your XP CD is only at SP1 leve, I'd do this:

(1)  Download the network install for SP3 and burn it to a CD [http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en ]

(2)  With the PC NOT connected to the internet (unplug the ethernet cable) format the drive and install XP SP1 from your installation CD.  

(3)  BEFORE you do anything else (no drivers from the motherboard CD) install SP3 from the CD you just made.   [Note:  You MAY have to connect to the internet and activate before SP3 will install -- I'm not sure.   But if you do, don't do any updates at that time.]

(4)  NOW install the drivers from the motherboard installation CD.

Post what Device Manager looks like after that.   You MAY have a compatibility issue with the motherboard's driver and the earlier version of SP.
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Thanks for the reply Gary. I will get on it  and reply back tomorrow night.

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Here is the screenshot of device manager after the SP 3 and motherboard installs.  

No change

Bobby
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Something crazy is going on with this PC. C: drive is now the D: drive and D: drive is now the C: drive. and C: which is the data drive now only has 78 GB of free space out of 184 GB partition and there is less than 1 GB of data on it. I am totally confused how that happened.

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Is it because when I deleted the system partition the system automaticlly made D: partition C:? If so is there any way of changing it back? If not I am going to format again. If I can't get the drivers to install correctly I am sending these computers back. This is way to much work. Any ideas on why these drivers are not installing would be very much appreaciated.

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When you last installed, there was either a 2nd partition in "front" of the one you selected for the install; or you had another MSC (mass storage class) device in the system (a USB flash drive, etc.) --> so XP selected D: as the drive letter.   There's no "safe" way to change it back ... you'll need to reinstall to do that.

However, that has nothing to do with the strange Device Manager behavior you're seeing here.   Something is clearly strange with this system, as you're installing the correct chipset drivers and video drivers -- yet it's still showing issues in Device Manager.   If MicroStar can't resolve this for you, I'd send the systems back.

Just to be SURE the drivers are correct ... confirm the exact model number of the motherboard.   The drivers I linked to above are for the 945GCM7-L, but your description in the question only says 945GCM7 (there are several versions of this board).
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Gary
I saw That obout the defferent model number versions 945gcm7 or 7L. I forget the others. Anyway while I waited on some responses I reformatted and got the system back to the way it should be and installing it the way you had explained the other night. One thing I didnt tell you or forgot to. When I go to boot from the cd if I dont press F7 when it says press F6 for scsi or raid drives if get a blue screen with a pci.sys error with some other numbers like 0x00000000A for example. I dont knwo why that does that but read where when you press F7 when it says press F6 it forces the system to work correctly somehow. Sorry for not pointing that out. If that has anything to do with it I am really sorry.

thanks for all the help even though the problem still exist.
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F7 at that point causes the XP installation code to skip the HAL & ACPI compliance checks ... so there's apparently something being incorrectly detected r.e. the appropriate HAL.

What HAL is being used in this case? --->  Open Device Manager and expand "Computer" and post what it shows.

This MAY mean you can resolve this by forcing a specific HAL => but first let's see what it shows now.    Then you can try to force one like this:   To force a HAL you press F5 at the "Press F6 ..." message & then choose what you want it to use.   The correct one SHOULD be "ACPI Multiprocessor PC" ... but if there's a compliance issue with the ACPI on that board, then "MPS Multiprocessor PC" may work better.
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Gary,
It shows MPS Multiprocessor PC

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I'd try reinstalling it and forcing ACPI Multiprocessor PC  (Press F5 when you get the 'Press F6 ...' message).   This may or may not install okay -- but if it does, it could be what's causing the strange chipset behavior.
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So you are saying reformating again?  hahahaha
Guess there is know other choice.  Here it goes. Another long night at the computer room.

thanks Gary
Bobby
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When I press F5 it gives me several choices. When I choose  ACPI Multiprocessor I get the blue screen with the error message at the end of loading. This  is what the error message is.
"STOP  0x0000007E (0xC0000005,0XF748E0BF,0XF78DA208,0XF78D9708)
pci.sys- address F748E0BF base at F7487000,datestamp 3b7d855c

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Clearly this motherboard doesn't support ACPI correctly.   One last thing to check before simply sending them back:   Look in the BIOS and see if there are any ACPI settings that may be disabled.  If so, enable them and try again :-)     The alternative is to simply use it with the MPS Multiprocessor PC setting; but like you I'd be reluctant to use it with an "unclean" Device Manager.
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Since your actual question here ["... how to get more than 131 gb of hard drive space ...] has been answered (in our initial discussion), I'd suggest you go ahead and close this question.   I'll track your new question and will add any comments that might be appropriate ... but I'll let others look at it first, since I've already suggested what I'd try.

Did you see anything in the BIOS related to ACPI ??
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I agree about the stopping the heading since it has been answered. And yes I found how I canchange it on the motherboard but I get the error message when I try ti install XP Pro. I have come to a conclussion that the cd is to old for the newer PC's. Do you agree? If so, I believe I need to learn how to slipstream this old XP Pro cd with SP 2 or SP 3.
Anyway, I will close out this heading now. I have started a new one already.

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I believe that the old operating system I have been installing is not working with these new PC's. I have used it because it is a corporate version and I have been able to install it onto several PC's. I am going to try to slipstream it with SP2 or SP3 and see if that works. I tried doing it a few months ago but I didn't do something right and it didn't work. Since then I have been so busy I haven't tried again. With all the time I have spent on the issue I probably could have figured it out by now. What I have done to see if this is really the issue is I just had the place where I bought the PC's from over night me two  cd with XP Pro SP3 and I will install them on the PC's. It cost me an arm and a leg but I am at wits end with this problem and the customers are wanting there new computers. I will let you know if that is what the problem was all along. When I talked to them this morning about the problem they seemed to think that that was the reason I was having the problem. I was just thinking that with me doing what you had said : installing XP SP1 then from a cd installing SP3 with the internet disconnected then installing the drivers from the cd would have did the trick but it didn't.
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It's possible an SP3 CD will behave differently => but probably not just a slipstreamed version of an earlier one.   The slipsteamed CD will be exactly like what I had you do earlier -- install, then update directly to SP3.   A new SP3 MAY have an updated installation database that overcomes this issue.   Certainly worth a try.

As a matter of interest (if you have one to try) ... what does Device Manager look like if you install Vista??
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