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JUST DELETED VISTA OFF LAPTOP AND DELETED AND REPARTITIONED DRIVE.  DURING XP INSTALL RECEIVE PART WAY THROUGH- STOP: 0X0000007E - pci.sys Address........... datestamp 3b7d855c

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Deleted VISTA off laptop (Advent)
Repartitioned/formatted with DOS disc
On install of now XP a blue screen appears stating a STOP ERROR as per other notice on your other pages. PCI.sys.

I think I need to update my BIOS but as VISTA not on laptop no more, I dont know how to put right problem.
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by:torimar
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What XP version is it that you are trying to install from?
Try it with at least SP2, or even SP3.

If you have XP original or SP1, you will have to go through the process of slipstreaming, I'm afraid:
http://www.msfn.org/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=49
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1626
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by:mikey250
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Ok I can see under the first HTTP, it mentions NLite, which will do slipstream.

I have a copy of XP but with no SP on it but I have an individual SP2 cd.  But although Ive read through details, the NLite does not mention specifically Vista.  So as I say I used to have VISTA on laptop and now deleted and trying to install XP.  Will this still work?
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torimar earned 500 total points
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You deleted Vista and formatted the drive. Thus Vista has got nothing to do with your laptop anymore, and it doesn't cause the problem.
The problem most likely is a part of your new laptop hardware which the original XP doesn't get along with (remember: XP was originally released in 2001).
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OK.  Thats what I thought Ive now just downloaded a copy of nLite and going to see if it works for me, you could check with me in 10 mins and I will let you know.
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by:mikey250
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HI again,

Ive done what you said succesfully and created an .iso image on my desktop, consolidating both xp & sp2, but now the .iso is too big to go on either a cd and I did try a blank DVD as the .iso is 767 mb.  Any suggestions?
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ive shrunk the cd, but only still now 746.64 mb
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I shouldn't shrink anything. This installation is a delicate matter, you don't want to take unnecessary risks.

Just use a DVD to burn to, provided your laptop has a DVD drive.
Also: do not take a rewritable and remember to not burn at maximum speed; set it to maximum half the speed your burner allows, or even lower.
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Also: are you sure you won't need SATA drivers for the hard drive?
Because if you do, they will have to be slipstreamed as well:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows/resolving-setup-did-not-find-any-hard-disk-drives-during-windows-xp-installation/
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Ive created a bootable dvd the laptop has accepted the dvd and is part way through install process.  Now it has come to a hault and shows: [DR-DOS] A:> What am I supposed to type here?  Ive done a Dir it shows:

Command.com
DRDOS
OAK
NR
WWBMU.EXE
READE.TXT
DCONFIG.YST
AUTODOS7

??????
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You are not supposed to type anything there, because that is not supposed to happen. Which indicates that there is still an error.

Have you ever installed XP before?
Because I'm not sure how to interprete this "part way through install process". To me it looks as though this process hadn't even started.

http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_xp_pro.htm
http://tweakhound.com/xp/installxp/installXP1.htm

Take a look at these sites with screenshots of all the different installation stages, and tell me where in the sequence of images this halt happens (best by a number as given in the first link).
Also: was the original STOP error you received from the old CD at about the same stage?
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by:mikey250
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Yes Ive installed XP many a time before.

Hi it gets as far a bullet no4 and then eventually shows up a STOP: 0x0000007E & below it says PCI.sys.......................  datestamp 3b7d855c

but now when trying to install my newly created .iso disc it boots and shows that prompt I message you prior to this one.

mike
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Then it is as I suspected: XP Setup actually starts at bullet #5. Your STOP error/halt occurs while setup still loads drivers into memory which are required for its execution.

Years ago, a STOP at this early point used to be a sign of some hardware incompatibility. A system, however, that is Vista proven should not be expected to run into any hardware issues with XP. I have to look into this some more, which may take a bit of time. Sorry.

Meanwhile, there is something else I wonder about: You say you used a DOS disk to format the hard drive? What programme did you do it with? Maybe you should try again with Gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/index.php). I know from testimonials I've read that hard drives with Vista installed and then reformatted with GParted were perfectly fit for XP. You can download the Live ISO here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=271779
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I used a dos disc Ive had for a few years and use it on all my pcs.  Although this is the only pc ive had with Vista on.

I booted from my disc and deleted primary partition, create new partition and set up active.  Rebooted this time with XP cd but to know avail.

IVE JUST CREATED ANOTHER DISC FROM THAT PROGRAM YOU SUGGESTED. THE LAPTOP PICKED UP THE CD AND I NOTICED THAT IT ALSO SAID NO NTFS VOLUMES FOUND, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE AS IVE REPARTITIONED AND FORMATTED AS THEN WHEN INSTALLING XP I WOULD CREATE THE NTFS PARTITION THIS TIME.

SO SOME HOW I NEED TO TURN IT INTO NTFS FIRST!!!!!!!!

MIKE
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GParted is able to create Ntfs partitions.

I just ran into a suggestion that I consider plausible: When SP2 was created, multiple processor systems did hardly exist. If ypours is a dual or quad, try deactivating all but one CPU in BIOS just for the sake of installation.

Yet another thing: you chose to slipstream SP2 instead of SP3. Given that you will have to update to SP3 anyway, try creating a slipstreamed SP3 CD/DVD. Before you do, check whether you will need SATA drivers for your hard disk. If that is the case, include them as well, following the guide I posted above. Then, with only one active CPU, boot from the SP3/SATA disk and let's see what happens.
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IVE GOT SP3 ON MY DESKTOP AS AN .iso file but is not recognised.  And in the BIOS I cant change more or less anything no matter what i press.  there is nothing regarding dual, as though this particular BIOS doesnt show unless I was supposed to update when I bought it otherwise as it was under warranty they obviously want me to keep ring them to fix any issues I have.
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Hi ive found my old Recovery disc for this VISTA laptop and it has successfully put back the original settings from when I bought laptop, so I am now logged on.  VISTA is set with NTFS now so Im assuming I can put that boot disc I created with that program and install XP as normal?

BUT before I do as I bought the laptop with no discs, how can i get a copy of all individual drivers already installed on laptop?

Thanks for all the help you provided though! A1 service!!
mike
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Ive just tried to install the cd I created early even with VISTA put back, and on reboot of pc that disc still gets to the [DR-DOS] A:> stage and dont know why!!

Im currently trying to install XP as I would do normally without changing the partition and guess what that same STOP: message has appeared & PCI.sys ....... has appeared as before!!
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As to the drivers:
You may use a programme like DriverMax (www.drivermax.com) to backup/save all drivers installed on a system, BUT: this will be of no avail to you since I am almost definite that none of the drivers designed for Vista will work for XP.
You will need a XP version of all of your drivers, most necessarily the mainboard and controller drivers. Should you have gotten a mainboard CD together with your laptop, some of the drivers contained there may be present in a XP version as well, if you are lucky. For all the rest, you will have to go and quest for them yourself.
Use your present Vista (system info tools) or Drivermax to see what drivers are installed, then google for XP versions.

As to the STOP error reoccurring:
Sadly, I'm not surprised. There are virtually hundreds and hundreds of similar cases reported. I haven't yet had time to review them all, but the only ones I found resolved so far are the ones where a slipstreamed SP2/SP3 CD did the trick.

I may have to postpone my further research til tomorrow, but I won't let you alone with this problem, that's for sure.


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I think your right regarding drivers.  As for installing XP, yes please let me know because Ive come to a complete hault!!

The other things is I think the BIOS is locked because the laptop does not let me change a thing and it looks to me like things are missing or hidden so me as the user cannot see them.  Any suggestions on where I go to update BIOS.  I did think of opening up the back of the laptop and if there is a CMOS battery in place, taking it out and putting it back?


mike
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The place to look for BIOS updates is the website of the computer vendor (HP, Acer, Dell, Toshiba etc.).
But if the computer is new, so will be the BIOS.

Contacting your vendor's support wouldn't be a bad idea though, seeing that you did not get a CD with it (which is more than strange) and that you are left alone with these grave installation issues. Maybe they have a users' forum over at the vendor's site; I'm sure you will not be the only one who tried to get rid of a most unnecessary operating system.


Here's what I came up with last night:
Since so many people encounter this STOP error when trying to install to a system that came with Vista pre-installed, the conclusion is most obvious that something must be left behind, either by Vista, or by the vendor's setup routines.

1. The vendor could have created hidden partitions to hold a recovery utility and backup data.
As we have seen, this is the case on your laptop. So there must be, on top of the partition that you formatted, other hidden ones which you don't know of. Use a good partitioning tool (GParted once again; other free ones may be found on the Ultimate Boot CD - www.ultimatebootcd.com), and make sure there are no partitions left before and after the large C: drive. If you want more partitions, create them later.

2. Even with a perfectly clean hard drive as you created in the step above, there will still be one thing left of Vista: the Vista bootloader in the Master Boot Record (MBR).
Since the XP Setup disk does not yet work, I have looked around for quite a while to find the most convenient way for you to erase the MBR and replace it by a standard one. The easiest way would be to use EasyBCD (http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1) from within Vista:
Run it, go to "Manage Bootloader" and select "Uninstall Vista Bootloader", afterwards select "Write MBR".

NOTE:
After performing Step #1 you will not be able to run the Vista Recovery any more!
After performing Step #2 you will not be able to run Vista any more!

So plan carefully. Good luck.
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by:mikey250
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tar, oh by the way I have found a disc which says drivers on it for this laptop.

So what your saying is if the 1st part of my partition is the reason why I cannot load XP, I need to use what you suggest or could possibly use my Partition Magic 7.0 as the 2nd part is probably Vista hence why my Vista recovery disc works?

Then once using Partition magic I can affectively delete the partitions and recreate?

Normally on boot up of when installing or at some stage Ive seen click Ctrl-Alt-B for MBR or just select after partition change fixmbr or something like that in the Recovery Console to put right my laptop?

mike
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1. Good you found that disk. Let's hope there are also XP drivers on it, not only the Vista ones required for the OS you bought it with.

2. Yes, you can of course use Partition Magic to delete those partitions. I didn't know you had it. Just make sure to delete ALL partitions on the disk, unite all space to one big partition, format that one.
If you wish to create new partitions, do it only after these changes were applied.

3. Yes, FIXMBR is the command we need. But: you can't use the XP CD to issue it, since it doesn't work yet. So you would be left with the Vista Recovery Console. And I have a feeling that using FIXMBR in the Vista RC will fix the MBR the way that Vista wants it to be.


ps:
Before you perform any of those changes, have you considered imaging your complete hard drive to a USB drive?  If anything goes terribly wrong, you would at least have a functional system up and running within minutes.
Make sure that your imaging software includes the MBR in the image.
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My laptop is saying I have SP 0 and need NT SP6a, why is that?  Im gonna download it anyway and try and overcome this problem.

mike
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Hi because my warranty has run out for whatever reason they will not renew it.

Ive downloaded and put on a cd SP6a as per what partition Magic said and now its says, because the NT Service Pack already installed is newer, basically it cannot install.  Any suggestions? Im assuming
www.ultimatebootcd.com or  (http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1)  will not work.
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On which occasion does your laptop say that and how exactly does it say so?

You are not installing Windows NT, and you don't need the NT service packs.
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What are we talking about here? Did the error/complaint come from the Partition Magic 7 boot CD?

UltimatebootCD will work for sure, so will GParted (that's Linux based).
EasyBCD (neosmart.net-link) will only work from inside Vista.
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Yeh Partition magic said NT SP 0 was detected so could not install and I must install NT SP 6a.

SP 6a is now saying that SP installed on laptop is newer so basically cannot install SP6a!! ODD!!

Yeh just gathered EasyBCD will only work on Vista because I downloaded the demo on my pc first.  I will install on laptop and see if I can remove hidden partitions and recreate so I can then install XP disc.

By the way the drivers I have say version 1.2 drivers and look as though they are just drivers for the laptop rather than specific to VISTA.  once sorted I will install drivers and see.

thanks!
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