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Increase C-Drive space on Terminal Server 2003

Hello, we have a server with 2 40GB raid hard-drives (which are mirroring over data to one another) so we have a total of 40gb. When shipped from the factory, the server has a 12GB C and a 38GB D partition. We are now running into the problem where there is not enough space on the C partition for our users to logon with their roaming profiles, even with folder redirection enabled. We need to increase our C partition without losing any data. Which product would be inexpensive (free preferably) and allow us this ability? Or, do we even need software to accomplish increasing the partitions (to 30 for the C drive and 8 for the D, right now we have 400MB remaining on the C drive and 36 remaining on the D drive. Thanks!
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
I'll be honest - I've used such tools in the past, but I'm JUST NOT COMFORTABLE with them.  They have never (that I can recall) caused me a problem, but all the tools WARN YOU - MAKE A BACKUP FIRST.  It's always possible something can go wrong.  Tols you can try:

BootIT-NG - free functional demo available - http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
gparted - linux based - http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ - free, but free GENERALLY means more complicated which in turn means more of your time to figure out - so how valuable is your time?

Paid products -
Acronis Disk Director (what I would go with, you'll need a server version) - http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/products/diskdirector/ (free trial, functionality limits, if any, unknown to me)
Partition Magic (you'll need a server version; REALLY don't trust because it's a Symantec Product) - http://www.symantec.com/norton/partitionmagic
Partition Commander (not sure if you'll need a server version) - http://www.avanquest.com/USA/pc-utilities/disk-management-disk-partition/hard-disk-hard-drive/Partition_Commander_Professional_10.html

A terminal server is the only thing that really needs more than 12 GB of space for a C: drive... So when ordering a system to be a Terminal Server, I recommend reinstalling it from scratch.

However, obviously, you're too late for that... at least without possibly creating more work for yourself.
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Malli BoppeCommented:
I have used Acronis Disk Director and didn't have any problem.
Or you can clean you space on terminal server.
delete old profiles from c:\docum~\
You can move the page file to D drive if you wan to.
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jeffschickAuthor Commented:
Has anyone looked at the use of Gnome Partition Editor (GNU software - http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) for this type of partition change? What about diskpart.exe from Microsoft which looks to change the partitions.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
Did you not read my comment?

Diskpart won't work on boot or system drives.
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SysExpertCommented:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Download.en.php
Free System Rescue CD with data recovery, and partitioning programs
Gparted

I have used it plenty on XP systems, but not on a Server  with RAID, so be sure you backup fully !!!

Are the Drives BASIC or Dynamic - BASIC should work OK


I hope this helps !
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noxchoCommented:
First of all, do not use free software for your task accomplishing. Second, do not perform the operation in Windows as Terminal Server could get problems after resize.
I recommend for this purpose Partition Manager 9.0 Server Edition from Paragon Software:
http://www.paragon-software.com/business/pm-server/
We do use this utility in our company often and it make the work easily. Boot from WinPE2.0 based advanced Recovery CD to perform resize in non Windows environment and get as much space from D: to C: as you need.
And sure, do not forget to take backup image first.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
noxcho, WHY NOT use free software?  

I will say I think products that charge for the software are LESS LIKELY to cause problems because if the products don't work, the company goes out of business... but a blanket statement such as yours without an explanation is inappropriate in my opinion...
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chrisdunn_6Commented:
I would use norton ghost cast server. You can pull an image off the drives and push the image and resize the partitions with a complete backup incase something goes wrong.
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noxchoCommented:
leew, if software is free - the developer does not help you at all. For example bug in product that is specific to definite configuration could cause lots of pain.
If you purchase a product and use it, then you can demand assistance in getting to the aim of purchase.
My vision is - free software for such a serious operation is too risky. If you have nobody to relay on (I mean support service) then you are in total loss if anything worst happens.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
noxcho,

You should clarify - the developer MAY not help you OR the help may come at a fee.  One of the basic ways free software makers make money is through SUPPORT FEES.  

And commercial software products often only provide assistance for a short time after purchase and then charge you anyway.  And there's no guarantee that ANY support for either type of software publisher will result in a happy solution...

By your logic, Linux should NOT be used EVER for a remotely critical situation.  At least that's my interpretation of your comments.
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chrisdunn_6Commented:
sorry new here.
http://shop.symantecstore.com/store/symnasmb/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.104206700/pgm.13480000/ThemeID.106400/Currency.USD

cheap and will sove your problems. You can pull the image and push it back on with specified partition sizes. Even on new hard drives if you want.
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noxchoCommented:
Hello leew, yes, you are correct, the developer may not help you at all because this is the main idea of any free software you use (reading license agreement through you get that).
If server version is purchased then it provides one month full support.
Yes, you are correct, if one needs further assistance then he or she has to buy further assistance.
But still, one can demand assistance if the product is purchased, this is the idea.
Sure Linux can be used for simple operations but resize of working server is a potentially dangerous task and I would not use ever free software for this purpose.
But still people are different ;)
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RodGrahamCommented:
Since you need to make a backup regardless of the strategy employed AND 40G drives are probably in the tail end of their lives (5 years is my rule of thumb),  take the opportunity to refresh your hard drives with new units.  Use an imaging software of choice - free or commercial - to copy with resize from the old drives to new.  In this way the old drives will remain intact and usable if anything goes wrong.

FWIW, I have used Powerquest/Symantec and Paragon for years with 100% success.  I currently use a technician license of Paragon Partion Manager Server since it boots to Windows PE and allows dynamic loading of windows device drivers needed to support hardware without BIOS support.

The whole system should copy and resize in less than an hour.
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ghoppCommented:
Has anyone considered just using the built in functionality to change the partition sizes?  In Disk Management you highlight the partion and then select "extend" or "shrink".
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noxchoCommented:
This is Windows 2003 and the functionality you suggested is available in Windows Vista and 2008 only.
There is a way to extend dynamic volumes but this leads to nowhere.
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ghoppCommented:
You're right.  I got to this thread searching on 2008 and should have read it more closely.
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