How many CALs will we require for Domain Implementation ?
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I am working as System Administator in an education institute. I have intermediate knowledge on installing, configuring and managing Windows Servers i.e. DNS, DHCP, Active Directory, Exchange, ISA, IIS and RRAS. But when it comes to licenses, I find myself weak in that particular area.
We want to switch from workgroup model to domain model. For that I suggested my IT staff to use Windows 2003/2008 Server Enterprise Edition. We will install Active Directory and DNS on that server. Now, the institute has purchased one WIndows 2008 Enterprise Edition and that comes with 5 CAL by default.
We have approx 500 employees and the same number of licensed Windows XP/Vista machines. So we will have 500 domain user accounts. In this regard, I have following short queries:
1. How many domain users can I create in Active Directory (installed on Windows 2003/2008 Enterprise Edition) ?
2. How many licenses will be required in my case ( 500 Workstations and the same number of domain users) ?
3. What type of license will be required and what will be the price per license ?
Please help me by answering these queries.
Regards,
Hemant
I am working as System Administator in an education institute. I have intermediate knowledge on installing, configuring and managing Windows Servers i.e. DNS, DHCP, Active Directory, Exchange, ISA, IIS and RRAS. But when it comes to licenses, I find myself weak in that particular area.
We want to switch from workgroup model to domain model. For that I suggested my IT staff to use Windows 2003/2008 Server Enterprise Edition. We will install Active Directory and DNS on that server. Now, the institute has purchased one WIndows 2008 Enterprise Edition and that comes with 5 CAL by default.
We have approx 500 employees and the same number of licensed Windows XP/Vista machines. So we will have 500 domain user accounts. In this regard, I have following short queries:
1. How many domain users can I create in Active Directory (installed on Windows 2003/2008 Enterprise Edition) ?
2. How many licenses will be required in my case ( 500 Workstations and the same number of domain users) ?
3. What type of license will be required and what will be the price per license ?
Please help me by answering these queries.
Regards,
Hemant
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Hi dariusg !
Thanks for your instant reply. I understood the difference between Per Server CALs and Per Seat CALs. But...
I am still not understanding what is meant by Device CALs and User CALs and what are these modes. Can you please explain me using this example:
When a domain user logs on from his domain account, he uses Active Directory Services and also when the policies are reflected to all the domain workstations, Active DIrectory Server (DC) is used. So please explain me how the Per Seat CALs is better in this scenario.
And when you say "Accessing at a time" means is it "simultenouous access at the same time". So suppose I use purchase 200 Per Seat CALs for Windows 2003 Server where I will install Active DIrectory, and I connect 500 PCs, then also it will work as all the 500 PCs are not using Active Directory Services at the same time. And in that case, I think it won't be illegal. Please explain me if it will be illegal.
Regards,
Hemant
Thanks for your instant reply. I understood the difference between Per Server CALs and Per Seat CALs. But...
I am still not understanding what is meant by Device CALs and User CALs and what are these modes. Can you please explain me using this example:
When a domain user logs on from his domain account, he uses Active Directory Services and also when the policies are reflected to all the domain workstations, Active DIrectory Server (DC) is used. So please explain me how the Per Seat CALs is better in this scenario.
And when you say "Accessing at a time" means is it "simultenouous access at the same time". So suppose I use purchase 200 Per Seat CALs for Windows 2003 Server where I will install Active DIrectory, and I connect 500 PCs, then also it will work as all the 500 PCs are not using Active Directory Services at the same time. And in that case, I think it won't be illegal. Please explain me if it will be illegal.
Regards,
Hemant
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Thanks again.
From the whole discussion, what I found is that Per Seat CALs are better than Per Server CALs. Am I right ?
Then why Microsoft gives you the option of Per Server CALs. And why there is any need for anybody to use Per Server CALs ? (I mean to say that is there any use of Per Server Licenses, Are they very cheap compare to Per Seat Licenses so that people purchase them.)
Another thing, the link ( http://www.royaldiscount.com/miwise20adde.html ) that you provided has good information over Licenses, but I failed to get the exact cost of Per Seat CALs. There I found the cost but I want to know the exact cost for 500 CALs. Is it possible to get it from there or on Microsoft site ?
Regards,
Hemant
From the whole discussion, what I found is that Per Seat CALs are better than Per Server CALs. Am I right ?
Then why Microsoft gives you the option of Per Server CALs. And why there is any need for anybody to use Per Server CALs ? (I mean to say that is there any use of Per Server Licenses, Are they very cheap compare to Per Seat Licenses so that people purchase them.)
Another thing, the link ( http://www.royaldiscount.com/miwise20adde.html ) that you provided has good information over Licenses, but I failed to get the exact cost of Per Seat CALs. There I found the cost but I want to know the exact cost for 500 CALs. Is it possible to get it from there or on Microsoft site ?
Regards,
Hemant
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Thanks !
Let me call a local reseller here. But would you please explain my another question...
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why Microsoft gives you the option of Per Server CALs. And why there is any need for anybody to use Per Server CALs ? (I mean to say that is there any use of Per Server Licenses, Are they very cheap compare to Per Seat Licenses so that people purchase them.)
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Regards,
Hemant
Let me call a local reseller here. But would you please explain my another question...
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why Microsoft gives you the option of Per Server CALs. And why there is any need for anybody to use Per Server CALs ? (I mean to say that is there any use of Per Server Licenses, Are they very cheap compare to Per Seat Licenses so that people purchase them.)
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Regards,
Hemant
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dariusg !
Sorry, I am taking much of your time and I thank you for your continuous support. You see, I have understood the benefits of Per Device / Per User CALs over Per Server CALs but really I didn't understand the use of Per Server CALs with the example you gave.
What is meant by these lines:
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Per Server CALS can be used for an example if you have a workgroup with one server that employees will connect once in a while to. So, if you don't have multiple concurrent connections to the server then you can have 5 CALS to allow 5 people to connect to at one time.
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Regards,
Hemant
Sorry, I am taking much of your time and I thank you for your continuous support. You see, I have understood the benefits of Per Device / Per User CALs over Per Server CALs but really I didn't understand the use of Per Server CALs with the example you gave.
What is meant by these lines:
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Per Server CALS can be used for an example if you have a workgroup with one server that employees will connect once in a while to. So, if you don't have multiple concurrent connections to the server then you can have 5 CALS to allow 5 people to connect to at one time.
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Regards,
Hemant
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Sorry...Sorry...
I got it somehow, when I read it carefully. You mean to say that if I purchase 500 Per Server CALs then if I use one server then the number of concurrent connection, I should set to 500. So that 500 clients can access the services. Did I understand right or wrong.
Please clear my doubt.
Regards,
Hemant
I got it somehow, when I read it carefully. You mean to say that if I purchase 500 Per Server CALs then if I use one server then the number of concurrent connection, I should set to 500. So that 500 clients can access the services. Did I understand right or wrong.
Please clear my doubt.
Regards,
Hemant
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Thank you very very much.
Now, I got it right. Many of my doubts are now clear regarding licensing. And sincerely speaking, this discussion ( specially with dariusg ) was very interesting and knowledgeful. I thank all of you who participated in this discussion and a very very special thank to dariusg for his continuous support.
Regards,
Hemant
Now, I got it right. Many of my doubts are now clear regarding licensing. And sincerely speaking, this discussion ( specially with dariusg ) was very interesting and knowledgeful. I thank all of you who participated in this discussion and a very very special thank to dariusg for his continuous support.
Regards,
Hemant
Licensing can be a headache. It took me a long time to understand it too. Then MS changes it all the time. I'm glad I can help you out!
Darius
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Would you please explain me with an example...
What is the benefit of using Per Seat Licenses rather than using Per Server Licenses ? and when we get the licenses for 500 CALs then is it just a certificate showing that we have licenses for that number or we will get something to install on Client machines having XP/Vista ?
Regards,
Hemant