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Problem: We are getting problems in WSUS and Symantec AV clients update. Â If we take example of WSUS some PCs are not shown in the list, and many desktops are not getting update. When we view the SIDs of the computers, some has same one and some are different. Like we have many series which are same but not all desktops are same with same SIDs but we have different series.
Requirement: Kindly suggest me that how could I change SIDs of all system in domain without disjoining them?
Thanks.
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Therefore, the process is to disjoin the domain (join workgroup), change the PC SID, then rejoin the domain.
Consider the consequenses of what you're asking to do:
You have some groups of machines with the same SID for that group.
If there were a tool that would change the local machine and the domain SID to match, you would immediately remove rights from all of the other PC's that shared the SID, because their local SID was NOT changed. This is a MUCH more significant impact than the following:
You have some groups of machines with the same SID for that group.
You disjoin the first PC from the domain (making sure you have the local admin password set FIRST!), reboot, change the local SID, reboot, rejoin the domain (to get the new machine SID) The rest of the machines in the group are unaffected :) Repeat on each one.
I don't understand why the domain disjoin is an issue?






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Is NewSID change Domain SID only?
In the (bad old) NT days, adding cloned boxes required something like 'New SID' from SysInternals (now MS) - but no longer.

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Moreover, when we run the tool PSGETSID, or when we view SID through ADSIEDIT, which SID is shown to us?






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We had a long discussion about SIDs about a year ago, can you please check the following link: https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/23252623/SID-discovery.html
It contains detailed explanation, behaviour was teseted in virtual environment.
If memory serves, you should be seeing Event Viewer errors for Event ID 40961 or 9 - or anything else that relates to 'authentication errors'.
If you can check for errors on any of the affected workstations, I'll dig out some old notes on how I used to solve this.
My understanding is the same as younghv's understanding of this. The act of joining a domain is enough to generate a new Domain SID for that computer object. That is because that is a value formed from the Domain SID + an ID from the RID pool, which is managed by the DC holding the RID Master FSMO role.
If it is an issue with the domain identifiers which you are having, then the act of disjoining and rejoining to the domain should generate a new SID. I would look at disjoining, removing the computer account and then rejoining to be absolutely sure.
However, in the event you have imaged some systems, it is possible the local SID is the same. In this case you may need the New SID tool. In this case since it is Domain related tasks which are causing issues, I would suggest that this is not the case.
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Do you clone your workstations?
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We have no problems but WSUS server could update many machines. When I run PSGETSID, it shows same SID (dont know which one) for many computers.






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http://msmvps.com/blogs/athif/pages/66376.aspx
I don't have an answer for Symantec.
There are numerous articles about both Symantec AV and WSUS and issues with imaged computers that where not prepared with Sysprep or WSUS.
I have had these issues within my own orginazation in the past as well.
I think trying the NewSid approach in a test enviroment is the easiest and fasted way to either fix this issue or rule it out.
A1opus: NewSID will change the Computer SID not the Domain SID
Qoute fromthe NewSID web site
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NewSID starts by reading the existing computer SID. A computer's SID is stored in the Registry's SECURITY hive under SECURITY\SAM\Domains\Accou
Next, NewSID generates a new random SID for the computer. NewSID's generation takes great pains to create a truly random 96-bit value, which replaces the 96-bits of the 3 subauthority values that make up a computer SID."
I hope this post does not offend anyone. :D

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It was just fun to see the big influx of people.
Thanks for the kind words though.
As some of you already addressed but to make it more clear on the WSUS and SID(local or domain)
Not sure about symantec, but for WSUS, yes, WSUS clients will not show up in the WSUS console and is a know problem due to identical local computer SID. This has nothing to do with domain computer object SID as each time you join the domain, you will get a new SID. The problem is on the local computer SID and changing it should not affect users and do not need to join and rejoin to the domain.
Here's the tool(mentioned above) you can use to troubleshoot your PCs and see if you have the same SID on many machines. If so, you need to get rid of it as WSUS will not be able to communicate to multiple machine with the same local SID, unfortunately, it's a known issue.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/default.aspx
Look for PSTools>psgetsid.exe to report local SID of your machines.
Look for NewSid to change your machine SID.
For test purpose, after you have change the SID of a PC, run the command on the PC wuauclt /detectnow tol force it to talk to the wsus server. After a few minute or less, the computer should appear in your WSUS console.
1. Computer SID is different
2. Domain SID is different
3. WSUS Client ID is different.
I think our computer SIDs are same because of imaging and cloning hard disks.
So now the final question is this. Should I run NewSID on domain joined systems? If yes, would be there any issue after running it?
Someone posted the script as well for WSUS clients. Should I run it on client or WSUS server?






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I really confused. Is this a case of same computer SID?
Run the script I posted on each workstation - not the server.
You can test it on the two workstations you just posted about and they should then show up and stay visible. Â It make take a little while for them to show up after the script is run.
So, to solve your WSUS problem, you need  to make sure the local computer SID is unique in other for the client to appear in your WSUS console.

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Be to clarify, each computer has a unique SID.
WSUS ID, a unique identifier found in the registry of every computer on your network, these WSUS IDs are generated based upon the SID of a computer. If you configured your image so that it would generate a new SID upon pasting then you likely wont have this problem, but this step is commonly forgotten. The WSUS ID is stored in these three registry keys:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Wi
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Wi
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Wi
In order to generate a new WSUS ID, you will need to delete these keys on the client machine in question. After doing this, restart the Automatic Update service and run the command wuauclt.exe /resetauthorization /detectnow. You should see the computer in the WSUS console shortly after that.






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SUSClientID has nothing to do with the OS SID. Â It is built using a Hardware Validation Routine and from version 7 of the AU client onwards when connecting to a WSUS 3 server it should recreate the SUSClientID value automatically.
I was asking that why it is happened? Because we do cloning and imaging.
What Americom said, seems logical.

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In this thread, it was very difficult for me to assign point because all guys suggested best of their knowledge. Toniur suggested the script first but he stated that it will reset your computer SID whereas it will reset SUS client ID so the right answer was come by NetMan then. Jimmymcp02 was the only guy who suggested about Symantec AV issue so therefore he got half points.
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Windows Server 2003 was based on Windows XP and was released in four editions: Web, Standard, Enterprise and Datacenter. It also had derivative versions for clusters, storage and Microsoft’s Small Business Server. Important upgrades included integrating Internet Information Services (IIS), improvements to Active Directory (AD) and Group Policy (GP), and the migration to Automated System Recovery (ASR).