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SAP backup with Tivoli TSM. Are there additional agents needed?

We will be using SAP applications (CI/DB's). We plan to use RMAN to backup the SAP databases and use regular file system backups for CI and application servers. Is there any additional agents needed which are mandatory.

Our TSM version is 5.5.3 and is running on AIX 5.3.1.
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woolmilkporcCommented:
Hi,

yes, there is.

You will need "Tivoli Data Protection for ERP"
which ships the interface between RMAN and the Tivoli Storage Manager API.

Find some info here:

http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr-erp/

Our company uses this product for several years now,
without any problem (perhaps except the not very moderate pricing)


An alternative could be "BMC SQL BackTrack" (or "Recovery Manager")

Info is here:

http://www.bmc.com/products/proddocview/0,2832,19052_19429_23101_2195,00.html

but pricing is not moderate, either. (It's rather even more expensive).


Hope I could help you.

wmp






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rajramAuthor Commented:
So just using TDPO for oracle and filesystems with regular backups won't do the job?
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woolmilkporcCommented:
Hi rajram,
regular backups for filesystems are OK, no question.
TDP for ERP has the advantage that it is aware of SAP's brtools (and vice versa).
You can even spare RMAN completely. The combination brtools <-> TDP/ERP will do the job on its own.
TDPO in combination with RMAN will probably work, too. But since I never used TDPO for SAP databases (only for non-SAP DBs), I can't say how the cooperation with brtools will be.
 
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rajramAuthor Commented:
This means, TDPO can be avoided and instead TDP for ERP will take care of SAP and oracle. Correct?
Also, is licensing host based (# of clients)? We plan to use it on RedHat Virtuals under VMware. I wil check the pricing with vendors but since you have used both TDPO and ERP products, is there a huge difference in licensing costs?
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woolmilkporcCommented:
1) correct. You can avoid RMAN, too.
2) licensing is processor-based (real hardware of the client machines, regardless of how many VMs you install the product on)
3) the difference is not huge, but TDPO/ERP is more expensive than TDPO, indeed.
 
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rajramAuthor Commented:
I meant the difference in cost between TDPO with RMAN and ERP with RMAN. So it does seem ERP will save hassels as it ties BR Tools with TSM. Also, I am assuming that ERP will be on all the servers that run CI and the Database. Would it be needed on application servers?
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woolmilkporcCommented:
I meant the difference between (TDP for ERP) and (TDP for Oracle with RMAN).
Sorry that I wrote 'TDPO/ERP'. That was not correct.
"ERP with RMAN"? You can do it this way, but RMAN is (more or less) useless here.

ERP (meaning "Enterprise Resource Planning") is for the Tivoli poeople just a synonym for SAP (well, at least in this case). What they mean to say is the SAP Central Instance including the Database Server.

As "Tivoli Data Protection for Enterprise Resource Planning" is a tool to backup SAP databases using TSM (and thus, as you state correctly, "ties BR tools with TSM"), it is only needed on SAP's central instance, the same place where the BR tools are installed, too.

Application Servers have no database of their own, thus no BR tools, and thus TDP for ERP is not needed (or better, it's even useless) there. Application server's filesystems should be backed up using TSM's standard incrementals.


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rajramAuthor Commented:
Thanks a lot for your help
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rajramAuthor Commented:
Do we even need TDP for ERP at all? Why can't we just use BRTOOLS to all the backups?

thanks
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