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Barebones kit. No BIOS, no beeps.

Barebones kit. No BIOS, no beeps.

I bought a barebones kit from CompUSA, figuring everything would be compatible. Here it is.

1. Asus M3N78 PRO Motherboard
2. AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Processor ADX6000IAA6CZ - 3.0GHz
3. RAM            Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz E.P.P. Memory (2 x 1024) - came with kit
            Corsair 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz (2x1024MB) DHX - bought extra
4. Video       - I am plugging the provided slot adaptor into the VGA plug on the motherboard.
5. PSU             - Ultra LS600 Lifetime Series 600W Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-Express
6. DVD/CD      - Sony DRU-V200S/BR DVD Rewritable Drive SATA
7. HD            - Seagate 250GB Serial ATA w/NCQ 7200/16MB/SATA-3G
8. Case            - Ultra X-Blaster Black ATX Mid-Tower
9. Fan/heat sink      -Masscool 5F9001B1H3 CPU Cooling Fan - Socket 939, 940, AM2

Using same numbers from above....
1. The first powerup, nothing happened, except the fan operated. No BIOS. No beeps. On the second, there was a spark, a flame, and smoke at the location of the CPU fan plug. This is four pin, but compatible with 3 pin. On subsequent tests this still provides power, but weakly. The other (3 pin) plug/jack does provide good fan speed, but Asus does not recommend using that.
2. Clamping down the heat/sink and fan was extremely hard. Can a CPU or mobo be damaged that way?
3. I admit I had doubts about the RAM configuration, even before trying to power up. The manual is not clear to me. Can anyone tell me how it should go, and how I should go about testing to see if RAM is the start up problem?
4. I do have a card, but thought it better to get it running without the card. The card is XFX GeForce 9600 GSO Video Card - 768MB DDR2, PCI Express 2.0, Dual Link DVI, SLI Ready.
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6.+ 7.  I also doubt myself here. SATA is new to me. The PSU had a plug for the DVD, but I had to use an adaptor (provided) for the HD.  I've tried moving the signal cables around in SATA 1-4. Is there a proper configuration for this? It's not in my documentation.
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9. See #2 above

Thanks
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jhyieslaCommented:
I'd say that it's equally likely that either you put something in wrong and potentially broke it or the board was defective. Smoke from anything on a computer is not a good sign.   I've had some motherboards on which it was hard to clamp on the heatsink and fan, but yes, it's possible that you've damaged it and most likely beyond repair.

Some AMD CPUs seem to be very susceptible to pressure placed on the wrong places; even more so that Intel chips.

Usually if the RAM is the issue, on POST you'll get some beeps. I'd remove extra RAM and just go with what came with the kit... although it's possible that it won't boot anyway.

Typically the "master" drive goes in SATA slot 1, but I think if you only have one drive it probably doesn't matter.
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dbruntonCommented:
I'd agree with jhyiesla

>> 2. Clamping down the heat/sink and fan was extremely hard. Can a CPU or mobo be damaged that way?

Possible.  Sometimes the CPU isn't sitting flush in the socket and is cocked slightly at an angle.  You'd need to check pins and such to see that they aren't bent.

What was common on early AMD CPUs was cracked cores if you didn't do it right.

>> 1. The first powerup, nothing happened, except the fan operated. No BIOS. No beeps. On the second, there was a spark, a flame, and smoke at the location of the CPU fan plug.

Something's shorting somewhere.  See above paragraph.

>> 3. I admit I had doubts about the RAM configuration, even before trying to power up. The manual is not clear to me. Can anyone tell me how it should go, and how I should go about testing to see if RAM is the start up problem?

You'd test RAM in another system.  But the problem is this one.  You should be able to remove all RAM and try and boot.  The system if it is OK should error beep at you to tell you that it has found NO RAM.  But the problem is I think the CPU and motherboard.
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nobusCommented:
i would  determine what parts are ok first.  But you need other parts to test them with : compatible mobo, other PS, and ram....     BE AWARE that you may have more than 1 bad part !
But it looks like your assembling burned some things. i doubt for : mobo - cpu, and RAM; but can be other things tooooooo

for wat it's worth  :
Here my troubleshooting procedure :
i suggest testing with the minimum setup - disconnect also all peripherals and network cables :
motherboard + cpu + 1 ram stick, video card, power supply
verify that the 4-pin cpu Aux power plug is connected
on boot, do you have a display?
if NO it is one of the connected, swap ram, Power supply, video card or monitor - leaving only motherboard and cpu
if Yes, add devices till the problem shows

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grimfidAuthor Commented:
I will be trying these things today (Saturday) and reporting back. Thanks for the ideas.

And yes, I am worried about more than one bad part!
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grimfidAuthor Commented:
I am trying different combinations. The only progress: I have the board out of the case now and while I've heard no beeps, I noticed that the CPU fan is running steady and strong again. Before it was slow and sometimes stopped.

I've put the graphics card in and at least its fan is running. Still no display.

I started to remove the cpu sink/fan to check the cpu but realized it was going to be as difficult as clamping it on was.

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dbruntonCommented:
>> I have the board out of the case now and while I've heard no beeps, I noticed that the CPU fan is running steady and strong again. Before it was slow and sometimes stopped.

This is starting to sound like a short somewhere between motherboard and case.  I still wouldn't rule out problem between CPU and motherboard though yet.
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grimfidAuthor Commented:
No. The short may have caused it. I found a small area on the board above the cpu that's burnt. Can this be prevented? Is there something you can put behind/under the board?

It's going to take more dramatic effort to get the fan off. Is it the board's or the fan's fault it's so hard?
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jhyieslaCommented:
If the board is an an appropriate type case the standoffs should prevent anything on the mobo from touching the case and causing the short.   With the mobo out of the case, look at the floor of the case there you will mount the board and see if it's flat or not or if the mobo has a something that extends from underneath the board that would cause contact with the case.  Also, when mounting the board, make sure that there are standoffs near the CPU if there are holes in the board for that.  This will help keep the board and the case from touching.

I don't use AMD CPUs so I can't for sure comment on your question about the hardness of removing the fan.  However, I do know that in recent board designs, Intel went from something that was fairly easy to get on to something that really requires a lot more force that I really thinnk should be necessary.  I did two boards last year for my kids and one of them was almost impossible to get the heat sink/fan combo on correctly.  I was really afraid that I was going to crack the board. My guess is that it's like the Intel system where it's just the design or it's the fan itself.  Most likely the board was just built according to current specs.
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dbruntonCommented:
>> I found a small area on the board above the CPU that's burnt.

Above the CPU?

Don't you mean below the CPU?
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grimfidAuthor Commented:
When the board is mounted in the case, the burnt patch  is "up" above it along the edge. This is about where I saw the flash and smoke.

Can anyone recommended a new board for the above list of components?
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dbruntonCommented:
Warranty.  Can you use the warranty?
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slimpickenCommented:
When i built my first computer i also got no bios and no beeps on first start up. I figured out that some of the screws for the Motherboard to the case were grounding to the case. I fixed this problem by useing electrical tape. I covered each hole on the top and bottom of the motherboard with a strip of the tape and then punched a hole through it. Once i had done this the system ran perfectly. it sounds like you are haveing a grounding issue since it runs out of the case.(you can also buy fabric "O" rings that do the same job, but my electrical tape idea lasted 6 years and is still working to this day.

To test the RAM use

http://www.memtest86.com/
depending on your system make a floppy boot disk (probably have to use another computer) then put it in your new PC and start it up. memtest should run.

You may have shorted out the MB or even the CPU instead of buying something different try and return them to compUSA and get replacements.  

Obviously there is a Small chance that the RAM isnt compatible. You could try just useing ONe of the two sets of 1gig sticks you have. I would try this after you have properly protected the MB from metal to metal contacts with the electrical tape.
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slimpickenCommented:
I also wanted to add that if it only runs the fans and no display with the MB out of the case you probably destroyed the MB/CPU when you saw the sparks. I owuld return Both items and get new replacements. Then reinstall everything. (useing the electrical tape/O rings at every single screw hole location. On top of board and bottom of board, better safe than sorry.
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slimpickenCommented:
Sata HD will work in sata slot 1, then put dvd in slot 2.
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grimfidAuthor Commented:
I already have a return authorization for the MB. I will add the CPU if I can. It does not look like CompUSA has another in stock, not as a single item (not part of a kit or paired with a cpu).

So the question of what to buy now is still open, except now it might be a CPU and MB. Maybe they have the same cpu and mb paired together.

Slim, I'll use the electrical tape idea.

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nobusCommented:
about the lectrical tape : i NEVER had to do that. he probably put stand-iffs where they did not belong.
a mobo should be mounted like the manual says, and none mention using tape
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grimfidAuthor Commented:
I'm returning both the board and the cpu.  Thanks for your help.
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dbruntonCommented:
Objection.  Experts pointed out various means of diagnosing and basically confirmed problem.  Recommend points split as follows.


http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_2790094.html  jhyiesla
http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_68938.html  dbrunton
http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_1522481.html  nobus
http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_4784108.html  slimpicken
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