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ebox? ebox vs. ubuntu server

Linux newb... : )

I just discovered ebox, and I am curious how it differs from Ubuntu server in terms of domain controller purposes.  I am not even sure if Ubuntu server will act as a domain controller.  I know ebox has a mail server, firewall etc but that is not what I am after.  What I want is, a free alternative to windows server in a domain controller role, with a GUI, that is easy to manage and deploy.  ebox looks to be that solution but I would like some feedback on it, if anyone has experience with it.  Thanks!!

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fosiul01Commented:
you know  what, you are excellent google user

how the hell you got this one ???

look at feature

http://ebox-platform.com/product/features/

An LDAP server stores user and group accounts, which are shared by all the modules that need them. eBox provides also with a Primary Domain Controller, allowing Windows machines to authenticate against it and making roaming profiles available.

this one actually same as Ldap and samba but i guess this software has builtin every thing.

so it will actually install ldap and samba in your pc but with a easy installation options

if you remember my first post, i told you, its realy hard to intregrate samba with ldap

by tutorial it looks like it easy but its not

i guess this ebox , will install this samba and ldap but with their own scripts

so you will get an easy installation script which will allow you do all the administration job automaticaly

i will try this software today, see how good this one

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fosiul01Commented:
it will must work

have a look to this line

about what ebox can do, it saying :
eBox provides your network with a Primary Domain Controller, allowing
   your Windows machines to authenticate against it. Your users will be able to
   use roaming profiles, share directories and so on. If you do not want a
   full-fledged PDC you can run ebox just as a file server in a Windows
   network.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-nm/2008-February/000592.html

but i am downloading livecd to see , how it looks

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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
Cool .. Thanks fosiul01 ..

I actually found it from a posting response to the samba + ldap tutorial I shared in the last thread .. Someone posted at the bottom that ebox was a breeze and could pretty much replace any windows server DC.

http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/07/04/openldap-samba-domain-controller-on-debian-or-ubuntu/

Let me know how it goes.. I am not going to have a chance to try it until tomorrow.
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Morne LateganCommented:
I use e-box exclusively at a looooot of sites for domain control. I also disable the firewall, dns, dhcp, proxy and all the other packages because they do not provide exactly what I want, but the domain control works out of the box, every time and the site where I have it running the longest now runs for more than a year without a single reboot.

I usually configure a virtual platform first, and then install ebox on a virtual server on top of it. That way I can run my proxy etc on seperate machines.

You won't be disappointed with e-box.
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
Thanks uberpappa..  Can non business class microsoft clients, join the ebox domain??  For example, vista home and / or xp home.  Thanks!
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Morne LateganCommented:
No, its it impossible to join those Windows versions to ANY domain, as that is prohibited by both the client software and the microsoft license. However, If you configure the same user on the clients with the same password, they will be able to browse the network resources without any hassle.
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fosiul01Commented:
@Uberpappa
can you please explain what you meant by this comments :

No, its it impossible to join those Windows versions to ANY domain


@author: i have checked the livecd, it has options to make this  software pdc controller, now there must be an options to join windows pc in their, because the manual is saying you can, but i am at home now, i will have to check tomorrow in details as i am interested to this software aswelll
why dont you check in livecd ?? its samething
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
fosiul01, are you thinking he meant all windows clients? He was referring to the non business class windows versions.  You should have no problem joining the pro operating systems, xp pro, 2000 pro, vista business and ultimate .. Home editions are the ones that can not join any domain ..
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fosiul01Commented:
ohh yes sorry, i understand what he meant, yes, windows home edition does not have the ability to join domian
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
Yea I am really excited about this OS.  I have a bunch of clients that have a need for a server but do not want to pay money for software / licensing etc.  What a great solution, if it is as stable as ubberpappa states it to be.

I will keep this thread open for a little while longer for any additional feedback.  
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fosiul01Commented:
Ok even if you use Windows Server for Centralized authentication, you wouldn not be able to use windows xp home edition , you will have to use windows xp professional or vista business edition for Centralized login which apply linux base Ldap or the evox aswell

I tought you dont want to  buy windows server and buy extra license to access .

thats why its evox or if you want to setup ldap +samba  by ur self

or am i missing something??
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
I think you are missing something.

I was looking for a linux solution for a specific client that does NOT have windows server for central authentication.  They currently have nothing for central authentication.  Since I did not have time to figure out the samba + ldap solution for this particular job, I thought ebox would be a great solution in this case, as well as in cases where people want a server for central authentication but can not afford a windows based server

The reason I asked about the home edition windows clients is, in some cases people have home editions in their offices, in addition to no server.  So in those cases, I was thinking maybe they could avoid paying for a MS server, and avoid upgrading to pro edition for full domain intregration from all workstations.  But either way, I still think it is a great solution and the home edition stations can just access resources manually on the fly with a username and password, just like in a windows domain.

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fosiul01Commented:
Ok !!

You would not be able to connect windows home edition to any Domain controller so, No centralized authentication for home edition.

but you can share resources from pc to pc by using samba

in that case ebox would not be too much help full i guess.
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
No, it would be helpful in both situations.  Even if you are using home edition, the users on the home edition boxes will simply use a domain username and password to gain access to network resources and/or shared resources on other windows clients.  

And even if there were linux client boxes on the network, I believe file sharing between windows and linux is simplified with Ubuntu.  Maybe samba is installed by default on ubuntu 8.10?  but I am able to see all windows resources no problem with my ubuntu 8.10 box and I am a Linux newb so I did not do anything special except for browsing the windows network from Ubuntu.  
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fosiul01Commented:
I didnot understand this comments :
the users on the home edition boxes will simply use a domain username and password to gain access to network resources and/or shared resources on other windows clients.  

Home Eidtion dont have any domain username and password options so from where will they get domain username and password ??

About samba, if its not installed by default, still you would be able to install and configure samba within 5 minutes to create simple share, its not  a problem


HOme edition dont have any domain username and password options so from where you are getting domain username and password ??
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
Here is how it works:

Even though a home edition computer can not join the domain, it still can browse the network resources.  When a user browsing the network from home edition clicks on a network resource, a user name and password box will pop up.  If for example, they enter the domain admin user name and password, they will get access to the resource (folder or file) because the domain controller is controlling access to that resource.

Essentially home edition can access domain resources but it is more cumbersome than professional.  For example, any mapped drives on home edition to a network resource, would require a user name and password entered, every time the computer restarts.  As opposed to xp professional, where the initial user name and password entered, at boot up, controls rights for the entire user session.
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fosiul01Commented:
ommm
ok i understand what you saying.

 but if you set up your share resources without the password then there is no username and password involved right??

but its true, its good to setup username and password for share resources...
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
Well if you are speaking of shares on a windows home edition computer, then yes, you would need to specify how you want to secure it, and no password is an option.  But if you share a folder on a windows domain controller or windows file server or windows client, that is part of the domain, then it is impossible to share a resource without security. Granted you could share the resource so everyone in the domain has access, but any computer outside of the domain, for example a home edition computer, would always have to authenticate to the resource, no matter what.
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fosiul01Commented:
ommm Ok i will have to surrender for windows base file sharing....i have Small business server in my office but i have very minimum knowledge on it, i do all sharing via samba and from samba you can share without any password to any domain pc or any os

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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
cool .. I will definitely check out samba either way.
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Morne LateganCommented:
A nice way to cater for home edition clients is to map a network drive via a logon script on the client side, that is, you create a user/password on the server and then insert into the client's startup a .bat file that reads:

net use h: \\server\share password /user:username

That will then automatically map a h: drive for them to the server without the need to supply a password. Its not the most secure situation, but it makes the solution easy and usable for those operating systems as well.
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jkocklerAuthor Commented:
very nice, uberpappa ...

What directory is the startup file for putting .bat files, on XP?
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Morne LateganCommented:
C:\Documents and Settings\<yourusername>\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

Or right click on start, then choose explore. Browse into Start Menu, Programs, Startup and put it there.
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Morne LateganCommented:
I see i forgot the persistent bit in the net use command:

net use h: \\server\share password /user:user /persistent:no

That way it doesn're remember the share after reboot. If you leave it out, it will come up with "share already mounted" errors next time.
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BarthaxCommented:
Minor note on the net use batch file: you could auto-disconnect then reconnect in the batch file:

net use h: /D
net use h: \\server\share password /user:user

The persistence is then an item you need not worry about. ;)
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