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rotate hyperbola for multilateration
Please find the attached tutorial
page 3;
To plot a rotated hyperbola, it is neces-
sary to do a coordinate transformation. The
transformation used to plot the hyperbola cor-
responding to a particular baseline takes points
calculated in an x , y coordinate system in which
the baseline is vertically upward (in which the
hyperbolae are easy to calculate), and rotates
the points clockwise by an angle ¸ so that the y22
axis is correctly oriented with the actual base-
line in the networks x, y coordinate system. It
then offsets the resulting points away from be-
ing centered around (0,0) to the center (x0, y0)
of the actual baseline. From a carefully drawn
sketch of the geometry of the (22) to (2) trans-
formation, determine the matrix expression for
onverting (x22, y22) values to (x2, y2) values, and
confirm that it is the same as used in the trans-
form program
You need to find the matrix co-
efficients so that:
x2 a11 a12 y22
y2 = a21 a22 = x22
Can someone please explain this to me... why do we need to rotate the hyperbola?
Your help would be really appreciated... thanks in advance.
toa.pdf
page 3;
To plot a rotated hyperbola, it is neces-
sary to do a coordinate transformation. The
transformation used to plot the hyperbola cor-
responding to a particular baseline takes points
calculated in an x , y coordinate system in which
the baseline is vertically upward (in which the
hyperbolae are easy to calculate), and rotates
the points clockwise by an angle ¸ so that the y22
axis is correctly oriented with the actual base-
line in the networks x, y coordinate system. It
then offsets the resulting points away from be-
ing centered around (0,0) to the center (x0, y0)
of the actual baseline. From a carefully drawn
sketch of the geometry of the (22) to (2) trans-
formation, determine the matrix expression for
onverting (x22, y22) values to (x2, y2) values, and
confirm that it is the same as used in the trans-
form program
You need to find the matrix co-
efficients so that:
x2 a11 a12 y22
y2 = a21 a22 = x22
Can someone please explain this to me... why do we need to rotate the hyperbola?
Your help would be really appreciated... thanks in advance.
toa.pdf
If you have four RX points, then you will have six possible hyperbolae.
If you pick your point conveniently (at the corners of square/rectangle), then four of
your hyperbolae will be aligned with the axes, and will not require rotation.
These four may be adequate to solve the position problem.
The hyberbolae associated with the RX pairs on the diagonals do have to be rotated.
But they may not be necessary.
What are the requirements for the program you are writing?
Do you need to plot the hyperbolae??
If you pick your point conveniently (at the corners of square/rectangle), then four of
your hyperbolae will be aligned with the axes, and will not require rotation.
These four may be adequate to solve the position problem.
The hyberbolae associated with the RX pairs on the diagonals do have to be rotated.
But they may not be necessary.
What are the requirements for the program you are writing?
Do you need to plot the hyperbolae??
ASKER
why is it easier to calculate when the baseline is upward?
ASKER
This is all part of the writing up part of the report and theory and I also need to understand the concept in for the presentation if asked.
=> If you have four RX points, then you will have six possible hyperbolae.
How do you know this?
thanks for your response
=> If you have four RX points, then you will have six possible hyperbolae.
How do you know this?
thanks for your response
ASKER
If you have four RX points do you not have 3 possible hyperbolas that is 1 hyperbola per two readers?
dTOA12
dTOA23
dTOA34
dTOA12
dTOA23
dTOA34
One per pair: 12 13 14 23 24 34
ASKER
From the tutorial it states 'why is it easier to calculate when the baseline is upward? '
why is this?
=> he hyberbolae associated with the RX pairs on the diagonals do have to be rotated.
what are the diagonals, what does this mean?
why is this?
=> he hyberbolae associated with the RX pairs on the diagonals do have to be rotated.
what are the diagonals, what does this mean?
"What are the diagonals?"
The asymptotes
See the diagram about 1/3 down in http://home.windstream.net/okrebs/page63.html
The asymptotes
See the diagram about 1/3 down in http://home.windstream.net/okrebs/page63.html
ASKER
=>so the hyperbolas associated with the RX pairs on the assymptotes do have to be rotated
why is this?
why is this?
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Sorry the diagonals I was referring to are formed by RX's on opposite corners the square:
(0,0) vs (10,10) and (0,10) vs (10,0)
(0,0) vs (10,10) and (0,10) vs (10,0)
ASKER
ok I understand... so if aligned on axis this is fine because you can get it into standard form.
If not alligned with axis we need to arrange rotation...
So if the readers are on the co-ordinates as per the drawing (0,0) (10,10) (0,10) and (10,0). these are alligned with the co axes ....
but when are they not alligned with the axes... is this when we introduce a z axes?
by diagonals, do you mean the hyperbola formed between (0,0) and (0,10) etc.?
If not alligned with axis we need to arrange rotation...
So if the readers are on the co-ordinates as per the drawing (0,0) (10,10) (0,10) and (10,0). these are alligned with the co axes ....
but when are they not alligned with the axes... is this when we introduce a z axes?
by diagonals, do you mean the hyperbola formed between (0,0) and (0,10) etc.?
You have to take the RX's in pairs.
If the line through pair of RX's is aligned with either axis, the the hyperbola will be also.
So [(0,0) (0,10)] [(0,0) (10,0)] [(10,0) (10,10)] [(0,10) (10,10)]
give aligned hyperbolae.
And [(0,0) (10,10)] [(0,10) (10,0)] give rotated ones.
The lines through [(0,0) (10,10)] and [(0,10) (10,0)] are the diagonals of the square RX layout.
This is the sort of rotation (in 2D) that they are talking about in the tutorial you listed
at the top of this question. Look at Figures 5 and 6.
For 3D, there is another type of rotation required. You have to rotate the hyperbola
around its axis.
If the line through pair of RX's is aligned with either axis, the the hyperbola will be also.
So [(0,0) (0,10)] [(0,0) (10,0)] [(10,0) (10,10)] [(0,10) (10,10)]
give aligned hyperbolae.
And [(0,0) (10,10)] [(0,10) (10,0)] give rotated ones.
The lines through [(0,0) (10,10)] and [(0,10) (10,0)] are the diagonals of the square RX layout.
This is the sort of rotation (in 2D) that they are talking about in the tutorial you listed
at the top of this question. Look at Figures 5 and 6.
For 3D, there is another type of rotation required. You have to rotate the hyperbola
around its axis.
ASKER
So if I have all the 4 readers on the floor this is in 2d but if I raise one of them to the roof this will be in 3d.
You can have all the readers on the floor, and still let the TX move in 3D.
You can solve for the 3D position of TX using a variety of methods.
But if all the RX's are in a plane, you will not be able to tell the difference
between (X,Y,+Z) and (X,Y,-Z).
If all the RX are at ground level, and the TX can not go below ground, then you
don't have to worry about the ambiguity.
You can solve for the 3D position of TX using a variety of methods.
But if all the RX's are in a plane, you will not be able to tell the difference
between (X,Y,+Z) and (X,Y,-Z).
If all the RX are at ground level, and the TX can not go below ground, then you
don't have to worry about the ambiguity.
ASKER
Ah now I understand that's interesting... so basically we never need to worry about the ambiguity because we do not go below ground so it will always be +Z.
Finally
=> if all the RX's are in a plane
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(mathematics) I understand this as the RX's on the floor in one plane or RX's on the wall another plane... am I understanding this correctly?
Finally
=> if all the RX's are in a plane
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(mathematics) I understand this as the RX's on the floor in one plane or RX's on the wall another plane... am I understanding this correctly?
Three points (or three RX's) define a plane unless they happen to lie on a line.
Walls, floors, ceilings, ramps, and slanted roofs are all planes.
Three RX's on the floor define a horizontal plane.
Two RX's on the floor, and one not on the floor define a plane too.
Walls, floors, ceilings, ramps, and slanted roofs are all planes.
Three RX's on the floor define a horizontal plane.
Two RX's on the floor, and one not on the floor define a plane too.
ASKER
thanks again for your help
I took a quick look at the attached text.
It's been a long time since I've done this kind calculation, but it seems that the purpose in rotating the hyperbola is to be able to calculate the Time Of Arrival (TOA) at different points in a 3D space. Let's see what others say.