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1- Can someone explain to me the difference between:
Client Respond Only Vs Server Request Security
They sound the same

2- if I assign the Require Security to the domain controller I can't access them using \\DCname or \\DCIPaddress.  what's the purpose of using it?

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by:Ron Malmstead
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Client respond only will respond to encryption requests...it won't initiate them.  Communications will be encrypted if the other machine it is communicating with is set to Request or Require (secure server).  If the other machine is set to Client respond only, then communications will not be encrypted.  Additionally Client Respond only will only secure the port or socket connection it is communicating on with the server.

Server (request security), will request ipsec everytime...but not require it.

Secure server (require security), requires ipsec on all ports commuinicating unless the client is trusted.  Untrusted clients incapable of ipsec, will not be able to communicate with the server.
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I have created a GPO on The Domain Controllers OU.
I set it up for All IP Traffic to Require Security.

on the computers OU (not domain controllers), I have permitted all IP Traffic to and from the domain controller. The option is just one IP address so I picked up one IP of one domain controller.

I don't know if my settings are secure or not.

what do you suggest?


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I usually set the servers to Server / Request...and clients to respond only...

If you want to get really tough, you set servers to Require, but that would make them unavailable to untrusted machines or machines/devices that are incapable of negotiating ipsec.  This could potentially "break" access to any number of services you are offering inside an outside your network on policy affected servers..
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by:jskfan
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in our network we have DCs that are all windows 2003, we have XP and Vista machines.
I want to apply Require security for All IP trafic between domain controllers.
I am afraid if I apply Require security for computers(WXP and Vista) I will not be able to join them to the domain.

I also want to be able to access domain controllers shares by typing \\domaincontrollername from a workstation or a server whic is a member of the domain.
I am not sure how to tweak it. Because in IPsec if you apply require security for All IP traffice,it's more restrictive rule and you can't add a rule that let you browse to a DC by typing \\domaincontrollername. You won;t even be able to ping the DC even if you Permit all ICMP traffic
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by:jskfan
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On this link :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/254949

it says "ou may want to add a rule to the IPSec policy to exempt ICMP traffic from IPSec security negotiation"

how do you do that, I added this rule and gave it permit, but could not ping the DC
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You might also want to exempt DNS traffic...

I would do a lot of reading before assuming the policy setup you've chosen is right for your network.
Joining machines to the network shouldn't be an issue, provided they have the ipsec key/cert or you are relying on kerberos which is not an encryptable protocol by ipsec policy.

Start here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb531150.aspx
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Ok..

From DC to DC you select Require security
What about from Client to DC and DC to Client?
What about from client to client?

I say client, anything WXP and Windows 2003
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Ron Malmstead earned 2000 total points
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Have a look here.
These are supported configurations.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/254949
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Ok..

Can you show me how to use IPsec from:
DC to DC only, without preventing client (XP or Vista,) to joing the domain or browse to the DC by typing \\DCcomputername.
Server to Server.

Thanks
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