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nVidia 8300GS Half Height: how does this support dual monitors

Hi,

I have a DELL Inspiron 530s which contains a "128MB nVidia 8300GS Half Height low-profile" video card. It has one DVI output socket, and one video-s output socket.

Everything I read says that this video card supports dual monitors. But how when I only have one DVI output socket?

Yes, I know, I could buy another card (but remember it has to be half-height), but I just want to know: when the bumpf/documentation states that the current card can support dual monitors, what does that actually mean in practice?

I'm UK based fyi.

Many thanks,
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RobmonsterCommented:
Hello bcops,

I cannot speak specifically for this card, buy my Dell machine came with a narrow ATI card with a single video output. It also came with a video splitter that plugs into the card that has two DVI connectors on, labelled 1 and 2. These happily feed two separate monitors and it is being used in a spanned desktop manner as if there wre the normal two different ports.

Regards,

Robmonster
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
Hmmmm, lucky old you ... thanks for the comment though. So, if this is correct, what exactly should I look to purchase? I don't want to buy a DVI splitter cable that will then render the same image on two monitors ....

Thanks again for any help,
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Do you have both VGA and DVI out on your low progile card? The illustration of the 530s in the user manual shows both with the additional integrated VGA card (http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/insp530s/en/OM/PDF/om_en.pdf)
If so the manual takes you through connecting dual monitors.

If you only have the single white DVI out then you should have received a cable splitter with the box.
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0ttaRulezCommented:
u can try such a cable splitter like suggested before. But i would go for a matrox extender.

U can buy it for 2 screens or 3 screens. Called Dualhead2go and tripplehead2go.

U can find more information here, and it works with every type of vga card. I have tested them and have nothing bad to say about it, it does the job well.

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
Hi,

Only one single white DVI out, and no cable spliiter (was a Dell Outlet job). So my question is - what cable splitter do I purchase? Just any old DVI cable splitter or a particular one?

Thanks,
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0ttaRulezCommented:
i saw we posted at the same time, that's why i make an extra post to make sure you see what i wrote.

I cannot tell u what cable splitter u have to buy from heart,
but u can check here what kind of DVI u have and what kind of cable should be connected.

http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/dvi-cables.html

but i would suggest the matrox solution still.
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RobmonsterCommented:
Apologies, I didn't realise you had already received the machine. I thought you had ordered one and it was in transit. My comment was meant to suggest that your PC may well include such a splitter.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
"Dell Outlet job" - Understood ;)

I'd get one of these: http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/Video_Cables_and_Adapters.html#a2997
The Dell Part Number is WU329, but you are looking for a dual head DVI Male plug terminating in at least DVI and VGA plugs.

The top one in the link covers all bases but you could use the one below (WT626) if you are never going to need to use this in any other scenario.

Depending on your monitor inputs you may also need to get a DVI/VGA adapter (if they only have VGA) otherwise you'll have the primary monitor on the DVI output and the secondary on the VGA.
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jamietonerCommented:
I believe the splitter Robmonster is talking about is a DMS-59 cable which only work if the card has a dms-59 port(looks similar to a dvi port). If the card has a standard dvi port the dms cable won't fit and a dvi splitter will only let you have 2 monitors that display the exact same thing. While the 8300gs chipset does support dual monitors like many low profile cards it lacks a built in port for the 2nd. On some systems dell offered a pci bracket that had either a vga or dvi port that plugged into the video card for 2nd monitor support, you'd need to ask Dell if that is offered with this system. If not you'd either need another compatible video card or the Matrox solution Ottarulez suggested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMS-59
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
Thanks one and all, v helpful, I'll let you know how I get on and award points accordingly.
Many thanks,
Much appreciated,

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bcopsAuthor Commented:
k, got hold of http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/Video_Cables_and_Adapters.html#a2997.
Now have:

- splitter cable attached to PC.
- DVI-A from splitter to DVI-D on one monitor
- VGA from splitter to VGA on other monitor

When both plugged in, PC only 'sees' the DVI monitor. And the lovely nVidia nView control panel only shows a "Use only one display" option.

When only VGA plugged in, PC does 'see' the VGA monitor.

Any thoughts anyone?
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
Any thoughts anyone?
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
ok, latest is - I have updated the nvdia drivers, makes no difference.
might I have the wrong cable?

if I wished to insert another video card to facilitiate two screens, would it have to be the same brand? another nvidia, or would another card, an ati work ok? could vista cope with an nvidia and an ati card at the same time?

any help welcome,
thanks,

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jamietonerCommented:
The dvi port was only designed to support 1 monitor many times a splitter will work if you want cloned displays, but i've seen splitters not even work for that and still only 1 monitor works. If you add a 2nd card in vista both cards have to use the same driver so you won't be able to get and nvidia and ati card working together. Another option would be to replace the 8300gs with another card that has support for dual monitors.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Hi bcops
Sorry away for a couple of days.
This doesn't look promising - I was certainly expecting you to be able to get a cloned display out of that cable (which I have done routinely with Optiplex DVI outputs from less sophisticated cards).  I guess once again we are dealing with a Dell OEM part which has been pared down to the bare minimum for budget.

There are at least three variants on the motherboard for the 530s low-profile case so it would be helpful to know the service tag ID to see what we are dealing with & probably need to aim for either a dual output or daughter-board supported low-profile card as an alternative.  Yes you can run nVidia and ATi on the same system but whether that is physically possible depends on the system-board. You might need to remove the 8300 to do this.
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
Hi Masqeraid,

I've ordered one of these from amazon.co.uk: http://tinyurl.com/cf7tlp ("Sapphire 11125-02-21R Radeon HD 3450 256MB LP PCI E 2.0 Graphics Card"). Looks like the one I need. Will let you know how I get on.

Thanks for getting back btw.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Given how my previous suggestions have gone I'm not going to voice an opinion other than that's what I would have chosen too ;)


Might be worth getting a graphics driver remover before installing the Catalyst drivers for this.
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/download_splash.cfm/driver_cleaner_pro
Don't use it unless using uninstaller from the nVidia software and the installation of the Catalysts fails to work.
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
hi,
great, thanks for the tip.
When it arrives, will let people know how it goes.
Thanks,
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vodka7Commented:
Can you take a look at the physical video card?  I use a low profile 8400 GS, it came with a full height bracket and the VGA connector was connected by a ribbon cable to the card, only the DVI and SVideo out were directly connected to the board, look for a double row of pins near the end of the video card, if you have that, all you need is a cable with a vga out and a bracket
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bcopsAuthor Commented:
Hi Vodka7,
Thanks for the tip. No pins near the end.

Hi all,

The solution to my problems was the "Sapphire 11125-02-21R Radeon HD 3450 256MB LP PCI E 2.0 Graphics Card" card (http://tinyurl.com/dgzpcf). If there's anyone else out there with a Dell Inspiron 530s, this is the card you need.

Thanks all,
Will now try to award points, though god knows how.

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samtheoldmanCommented:
I have a dell 530s running xp home dition.
I have an intel r g33/g31 express chipset family
The solution above is not for me I don't think.
What can I do to get dual monitors in my environment without buying cables, splitters and all.
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