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Beefy single socket quad-core Linux 64-bit w/Oracle replacement for dual socket Poweredge 2900

Due to Oracle licensing costs for one of my new applications, I need to buy a beefy SINGLE socket quad-core rackmount server, max 2U, with 16-32GB of RAM, RAID-10 or dual RAID-1, SATA or SAS. RAID 5 is not an option. Will run Linux x64.

I have decent hardware in-house but Oracle initial license plus recurring cost will outweigh the benefit of having the Poweredge 2900 for this particular application.

I have several Dell 2900's and 1750s that I will be selling, these are all dual socket and Oracle Standard Edition One licensing is double for a dual socket x dual core, so I need to replace with a single socket quad core.

I am willing to buy Dell, IBM or Sun, but was hoping someone knew a good suggestion quickly. I'm pricing through some options right now, but most of my experience is that the servers with decent drive subsystems (RAID 10 controller + hot swap) are all coming with dual socket now. I need to stay under 5k.

I am also willing to trade for an equivalent single socket system if anyone is interested in one of my 2900s (2x Xeon dual core core2 w/8gb RAM, 4x160GB SAS 10k rpm).
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dolomitiCommented:
hi,
I have tried to configure a IBM System  x3550 7978AC1

https://www-01.ibm.com/products/hardware/configurator/americas/bhui/launchTopLevelConfig.wss?base=7978AC1&cntry=840&configType=0&lang=en_US&launch_type=newconfig&ratetype=D&real_time_c1=USD&real_time_t1=false&site_type=public&display_availability=true&lenovo=false&display_leasing=true&cancel_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww-304.ibm.com%2Fshop%2Famericas%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FGenericApplicationError%3F%26storeId%3D1

starting from this and adding:
the lowest Quadcore
4x4GB ram (empty other 4slots)
left RAID 8k-l (raid0,1,10 or 2xraid1) (8k add on to have raid5 costs 250$ more)
4 x ( 2.5" 73GB 10K)
CD-RW/DVD Combo
1 additional power supply (199$)
3 Year Onsite Repair 24x7 4 Hour Response (6756298) - IBM Recommended [$450.00]

you get to a cfg that comes (web price) $3,929.00

This is just an exercise, try by yourself from the above site, warning to the last option (Maintenance,
Warranties 1y/3y, becouse these change heavly the price). I suggest also to consult an IBM reseller,
that will start from an higer standard price, but by discount he may get near the web price.

bye
vic

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mrjoltcolaAuthor Commented:
Hi dolomiti, thanks for the response. I actually found the x3550 last night as well. I configured one and quickly ran up above 5,000, so I am trying to see what I can trim.

But I think the 3550 is a good option. I do have good experience with IBM x series, so I think the 3550 is at the top of my list now, though I think it is a bit pricey.
 
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mrjoltcolaAuthor Commented:
Turns out 3550 is a dual socket, not a single socket, so it is not what I am looking for. Licensing requires a single socket, regardless of whether it is populated with a CPU.
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andyalderSaggar makers bottom knockerCommented:
Can't you shove some chewing gum in the second CPU socket and then say to Oracle it's a single socket system? I find it pretty hard to believe they want to charge license for unpopulated sockets, got any document stating that?


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dolomitiCommented:
hi,
3550 has 2 places for processors

http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/content/home/store_IBMPublicUSA/en_US/cto/x3550.html

The processors can be 1 or 2, and DualCore or QuadCore
(the configurator permits to add a 2nd Processor equal to the first, no your case)

bye
vic
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andyalderSaggar makers bottom knockerCommented:
According to http://www.hp.hu/integrity/pdf/pricingsept08.pdf you don't even need to license all the CPUs in the box if they are partitioned away from the OS that Oracle is running under.
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mrjoltcolaAuthor Commented:
@andyvalder: I'm pretty familiar with Oracle licensing structure, I've been purchasing it for many years for various platforms. This is Oracle Standard Edition, which has a different licensing structure than Enterprise Edition. SE treats each socket as a CPU, regardless if its 1, 2 or 4 core. I have just placed a call to the sales guy to get a reference to the licensing document, but I think I have been mis-informed; an Oracle consultant specifically told me I needed to license per socket in the board, populated or not. However, I have just read the Oracle document "Software Investment Guide" and it specifically states "When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One or Standard Edition in the product name, a processor is counted equivalent to an occupied socket"

So I think your are correct, it seemed odd to me, so I told the sales rep I want confirmation. I'll update this thread tomorrow to clarify.

Thanks so far, everyone.

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andyalderSaggar makers bottom knockerCommented:
On the AMD side IBM have a chip to put in the second socket that lets the first (and only) CPU access the RAM that would normally be only accessible through the second processor, it does hyper-transport but can't add up or multiply. I'd be interested in whether Oracle call that a processor or not.

I suppose it is an occupied slot although it doesn't have a CPU in it.
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mrjoltcolaAuthor Commented:
The answer from Oracle is I do not need to license both sockets, only those populated. This is common sense, but I was misled by someone that I thought knew licensing better than myself.

So thanks for the help anyway guys, I'll split the points.
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mrjoltcolaAuthor Commented:
Thanks. After clarification from Oracle, I don't even have to buy a new server. :)
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