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Good backup program to use

Just what most people prefer to use i saw that backup exec was 1200 im like whoa but maybe 500 to spend....

im wondering if theres something out there that can do this ..But backup all the files the first time or 2 but Then later if theres any CHanges in files or new files some how throw those in the backup so it doesnt back up like 20 gbs every night because the previous night the file wasnt changed at all throught the day....




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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process Advisor
Most Valuable Expert 2013
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What version of Backup exec were you looking at?  The basic version is about $335 at newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832108419

NTBackup also works as described - what your asking for is an incremental backup - these are a pain to restore - I recommend a differential backup instead.

Indeed, you might want to read my backup comment - it's a little dated (I have to update it for a couple of things - but MUCH of the information still applies - see http://www.lwcomputing.com/tips/static/backup.asp

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i just went on their site but im not sure ....


I have 4 drives (or had 4 :( )  at 500gb a piece and i would backup via copying files here and their but copying 20GB every night even when files werent in use i wasnt sure if i was doing it right....


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Check out Cobain Backup its Free and can do everything you want even send you email alerts can can back up to anything even FTP is very simple to use and can use VSS to back up open files.

Hope this helps.

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http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

Sorry here is a link to the site.
Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process Advisor
Most Valuable Expert 2013

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Cobain backup backs up data - not the OS system state, not exchange, just data.  It's fine for home... it's not appropriate for a server.

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i wouldnt mind spending 500 dollars because we need to be able to backup

but whats the best approach hardware wise like i dont have a raid

i have a system with 4 500 Gb dirves and i backup to each of them

OR should i look at getting a external raid server (san or nas) Or should i look at getting another server for just backups across the network though >>>> ?

does a San or Nas have a usb also a network.....


Thanks again
Top Expert 2012
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A RAID is not a backup; it just maintains continuity of business while the failed drive is replaced. An external NAS with eSATA or gigabit connection http://www.xpcgear.com/5200brpro.html would be an inexpensive backup. I have used Acronis and like the features and reliability.

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now could that have both for like is USB faster then going throrough a non Gigabit network unless i get a Gigabit Nic and plug it straight in
 
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I think we need a better discription of what you are backing up is it just files is it the whole OS is it a exchange server.

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well IT should be AN OS .... like exchange / AD but i have that on a mirror .... (i think a bad idea)
 
But alot of its day to day DOcuments for the Business data files about 40 material but im not sure if it backs that up every day or just the files that have been touched or edited....
 
THanks
Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process Advisor
Most Valuable Expert 2013

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Did you read the link I posted in the very first comment?  I used to copy and paste the vast majority of it into the question... but it seemed better to make it a web page... I can copy and past the whole thing if you like?  (I talk about backup types, software, and as Callandor noted, RAID is NOT BACKUP!)

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ok if you are just doing documents and simple files my recommendation is the Cobain back up and back it up to a simple western digital hard drive that is raided in case it crashes.

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4082295&CatId=2422 $250.00

and use Cobain to do it.
http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

If you are doing Exchange invest in Back up Exec well worth it for the restoring of exchange

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yea im going to get the backup exec thanks .... but now im wondering if i should get a

NAS now (im scared at the thecus company) i called it and got a vmail of someone hard to understand (im not sure if netgear is a good route or buffalo ) anyone has good expericee on some of these....
 
but  should i get something that i can put a usb connected to the server and a Rj45 on the network....
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A NAS is an easy solution for the amount of data you want to back up.  Thecus and Buffalo are both well-known in this arena and produce quality products.  For comparison of transfer rates, USB 2.0 is 480 Mbit/sec, which is good enough for a single drive transfer, but if you have multiple drives working simultaneously, you will need gigabit or eSATA to keep up with the data transfer.  Most single drives move about 70-100 MBytes/sec maximum sustained, and that would be limited by a regular ethernet connection.

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i have 2 esata ports on the motherboard of the Backup machine is that faster then the USb2
 
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My experience with eSata has not been rewarding. Granted that I have to use pcmcia eSata card, but throughput has been inconsistent. Perhaps with an add-on card for eSata you would be successful. Callandor is correct. You will need better throughput than usb2 provides.

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now when did esata2 come out just to make sure i might have to get a pci card (which i dont mind at all but its a dependable way of doing quick backups)
 
would the Esata2 way be faster to connect via network to the machine then through esata OR just via the network if i decide to use this as a File server .... or not :) ..
 
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eSATA has the same throughput as SATA II - 3Gbit/sec, faster than gigabit ethernet.  A PCI card is limited by the 33MHz bus x 4 bytes = 132MBytes/sec, which is a little over the max hard disk transfer rate, but can be limited by other devices in contention on the bus.  If you need a card (it doesn't sound like you do, since you say you have ports on the back of the motherboard), you should get one that uses PCI-e.  Each lane in a v1.x PCI-e slot provides 250 MBytes/sec throughput, while v2.0 slots provide 500 MBytes/lane, so even a PCI-e x1 slot is an improvement over PCI.

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so if Usb is out of the picture and PCI is as slow as 132 having 2 esata ports Or firewire would be the better option then for backup purposes (with a nas device Hopefully)
 
im not sure if backup program will see it or does it detect it like a Drive
 
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I would do network Esata and firewire can be a pain and drive letters can change then you have to reconfigurer the backup program every time the drive letter changes.
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AHHH im stummped now
i was on the phone with someone from addonics
they have a Solution where i can connect a Esata to the server via 3gbs
 
but i think he said only 1 volume i can see which is fine because i just need to backup to 1 but does it like show as a drive like as if i plugged in a USB drive
addonics

http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/nasu2_stex_hpm.asp 
 
 
 but it was only 100mb for the network connections
 
eeeeeek
 
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yep then it plugs in to a rj45 at 100

Just buy the WD mybook world edition it offers 1000mb all you need is a gigabit switch which is like 40 bucks for a 5 port.

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my boss wants something with like 4 drives at least and also be able to access via the network (maybe if i connect via esata then share the drive thats almost like a NAS in a way right ??
 
http://store.sansdigital-shop.com/mr5ct2.html
heres what i saw with esata connection to my server
now the only question i have is Jbod i might start a new thread though...
 
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eSata appears as another drive, just like usb2. And backupexec will recognize. With the onboard eSata port you probably have the solution right there. A gig drive like swfasit suggested with eSata would be awesome. Throughput is rated at 3gbs and does not require any network connection (no added switch). when I read into your description earlier, I missed the fact that your server had onboard eSata ports. If I coudld do that, I could share the drive or have a second drive just for the backups.