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Was looking for methods to better help in discovering and preventive measures for binded files that contain viruses. I've seen alot of Istealer servers that people use to get data most of these files they send out are fully undetectable by virus software. I saw one file that was binded that someone upload on nothanksvirus.org to test and it didnt detect the virus/malware/password stealer. How does one detect this on one's system and guard against such a threat?
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Ok  let me please clarify the difference between two techniques that may be used here
Binder : there are three sections to a binded executable (executable 1, Executable2  & the Binder's Stub code)
Dropper: there are usually two separate sections of code, one is usually embedded into the other through resource files or using a technique like SFX, it is not uncommon for the section where the bad executable resides to be encrypted.
if you will rely solely on antivirus signature /definitions based scanning, then expect quite a few of those to go by undetected, especially droppers, binders are a bit easier in detection because the stub is almost always a giveaway.
however some script kiddies or malware distributors use custom made binders or droppers to ship their code out , this will not be included in your antivirus database and is bound to pass undetected.
the only way to beat those is by having a resident , active & running antivirus program , although the binder will hide the malware that it carries in storage (while it is still binded) , once extracted, your antivirus program should detect it for what it really is through definitions or through Heuristic scans that will map certain activities (if run in stealth) to malware activities, please post back if you require any clarification.
also if in doubt a better online scanner is www.virustotal.com


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Admin3k i see what your saying i understand there are alot of 0day virus/malware out there which would go by undetected through a regular scan. Should i use executable extract to look through an questionable exe? The binded file showed undetectable on virustotal as well. There has to be a easy way to detecting a threat, something that picks up on a binded files characteristics. Yes if you would please explain more in depth as well as take into consideration what i just mentioned as well . thanks
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Just to be sure about what e are dealing with here, I would like to take a look at this sample please, Please rename extension to .TXT , Compress as ZIP archive and attach here, once examind hopefully I will be able to advise of a suitable course of action.
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1) The main reason behind using (Packing / Binding ... etc) is to evade signature-based anti-malware products. You need to look for proactive-based products that look for malicious activity in the system.

2) Anyways, a packed virus must be unpacked in memory to run. So, any decent antivirus should detect it if "Memory Scanning" is supported.

3) There is no single product on earth can detect and protect against all viruses. You need to implement multiple defense lines (Defense-in-Depth)

4) Using a combo of (Antivirus + HIPS + Application Control Software) will give you better protection. Since every product complements the other. Check the following features:

- Antivirus (Signatures): Detect and clean known infections.
- Antivirus (Proactive Protection): Detect malicious & suspicious activity which could be related to a 0-day/packed virus

- HIPS: Block malicious modifications (Hooking / DLL injection / Kernel modification / rootkits / patching dll/system files)
- HIPS: Intelligent monitoring and alerting when one of the mentioned activities has occurred.
- HIPS: Can block many infections by blocking exploitation attempts (eg. MS08-067 + W32.Downadup)

Application Control: Allow trusted and known applications and block the rest.
Application Control: Alert the administrator about executing suspicious files. (He can submit it to the AV vendor and respond faster than before)
Application Control: Execute signed and approved applications from trusted locations.

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Proactive based products such as prevx? for example
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Not necessarily this one, other Antivirus vendors call it different things Kaspersky,Mcafee, Symantec, Trend Micro, all have it among others.
heuristic scanning or heuristic detection being other well known names
i.e. detection based on suspicious behaviour not signature based, which can lead to identifying new threats not in the signature database
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