Identify BSOD Codes and Avoid OS Reinstall

My system is afflicted with recurring BSOD, that appears predictably when copying large files between drives and spontaneously at other times. Although this suggests a memory fault, and two of the four memory sticks are new and predated the BSOD errors, diagnostics and practical tests cannot verify any memory flaws. The systems specs are:

2.40 gigahertz Intel Core2 Quad Q6600
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Running XP Pro 5.1.2600 SP3 mobo Intel DG33Fb
Four 1024 mb Kingston memory sticks
NVIDEA 9600 GT

C: system drive       WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR5 [Hard drive] (74.35 GB) drive 0  NEW
F: Data Storage      WDC WD360GD-00FNA0 [Hard drive] (37.02 GB) -- drive 2  
                                   SMART Status: Healthy
G: Data Storage      WDC WD10EADS-00L5B1 [Hard drive] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 1  NEW
(all NTFS)

The following are examples of the error messages-

STOP: 0x 0000007F (0x00000008, 0x80042000, 0x00000000,0x00000000)

STOP:0x 0000007F (0x00000008, 0xB8338D70, 0x00000000,0x00000000)

STOP:0x 0000007F (0x00000008, 0xB8340D70, 0x00000000,0x00000000)

STOP: 0x 0000007F (0x00000008, 0xB8348D70, 0x00000000,0x00000000)

The last 3 series recur most often, and of these the last 0xB8348D70 is the most common; approximately 50% or more of the failures display this same message.

All peripherals have been systematically removed and replaced; the error recurs.

New drivers have been installed in the net card, and graphics card; the error recurs.

The four 1024  mb mem sticks were removed in pairs; the error recurs with each pair of memory sticks alone and with both pairs installed. Memory tests show no errors on the mem sticks.

The Mobo chipset drivers and the Management Engine Interface drivers have been reinstalled from the original mobo install disk.

The object is to identifythe detail of the rror code and avoid an OS reinstall.

Please advise.  Thanks.
sinbad8508Asked:
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awawadaCommented:
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DatedmanCommented:
Hmmm no cryptic error code such as IRQL_NOT_LESS_etc?

I'm a great believer in the built-in program VERIFIER it's a driver verifier and once turned on will likely give you specific information instead of the BSOD's you've been getting.  Just run it, take the defaults, turn it back off after the problem is solved because there is some overhead.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Thanks for the prompt reply.  I reviewed the referenced article, which suggests:

   "1. Test the RAM in the computer by running the diagnostic software that is provided by the computer manufacturer. Replace any RAM that is reported as bad. Also, make sure that all the RAM in the computer is the same speed." ((the RAM was tested twice, once by me and once by a bench tech who built the unit- no faults were identified. Also the practical test of removing the ram sticks in pairs did not eliminate the error.))
   "2. Try removing or swapping out controllers, cards, or other peripherals.(t(his was done,again by me and the a bench tech"   nada))
   "3. Try a different motherboard on the computer." ((this has not yet been tried)).

"If you are over clocking the speed of your processor, set it back to the speed at which it is designed to run." ((No OC has been attempted))
"Check with the hardware vendor for any updated hardware drivers or BIOS updates, or both." ((all available drivers have been reinstalled or upgraded, including the BIOS)).

Is there no way to specifically identify the code? It must mean something , and it is remarkably stable as it recurs.
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DatedmanCommented:
If you turn on verifier you should get a more specific idea where the problem is. :)
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Datedman-

Thanks for the prompt reply.

No cryptic error code, just the addresses noted above.

How do I run VERIFYER?

sinbad
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
OK I used Start , Run to to run verifier, but there are now options.

How do I get useful data?

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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Trying "Automatically select all drivers installed on this computer" and rebooting.

I will be offline for a few.

sinbad
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DatedmanCommented:
All drivers is a big performance hit from what I hear, I've had good luck with just taking the defaults but if that doesn't work, try all drivers. :)
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Back on line on a laptop.

OK no problem with the lag.

We have an apparently clear error message:

IO system verification error in pctfw2.sys

(WDM driver error 224)

[pctfw2.sys +142e at A1FE542E]

then on reboot same message but found at

F42E

How do I proceed? What do these codes tell us?

How do I get out of the Verifier mode on boot?  Safe mode or ??

sinbad
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Sorry this kb is klutzy

second location was at A228F42E

sinbad
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DatedmanCommented:
You have Spyware Doctor installed?  Looks like that driver is part of SD...if you have it installed try uninstalling it.

You can just turn off verifier now I think.  Should be able to do that in safe mode if the system won't start normally (haven't ever seen verifier cause that, if it is please let me know for future reference.)
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Four tries- boot goes to blue verifier screen every time. Now booting in safe mode.

How do I turn VERIFIER off?
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DatedmanCommented:
Delete existing settings.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
OK  rebooting now.The driver in question appears to be part of PC Tools Firewall Plus.

They have posted a revised driver on their forum, but I no longer use that FW.

I am about to try scrubbing it.

Reboot now ran normally.
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DatedmanCommented:
Ah ok sorry I saw it was from PC Tools but when I hit their site I saw Spyware Doctor, DOH.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
DRAT!

No joy

We may have scrubbed that error, but it did not cure the main issue. Same symptoms still here.
Attempt to copy large file G: to F:
 
STOP: Ox0000007F  (0x00000008, 0xB8338D70, 0x00000000,0x00000000)

Shall we run Verifier again or ?
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DatedmanCommented:
OK yup turn verifier back on. :)
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DatedmanCommented:
I love to peel these onions. :)
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
So why are my eyes watering??

OK Verifier on.

What settings?
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DatedmanCommented:
Take the default settings and see what happens.  Hopefully next time you BSOD it'll give you useful info.  Like the driver name. :)
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Standard settings
All Drivers

here we go.
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optomaCommented:
Could you also post the last few dump files. Rename .dmp 's to  .txt or just zip a folder containing the dump files located at C:\WINDOWS\Minidump . Might also help in identifing BSOD's
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
New errors on reboot.


First
jspclcap.sys''(WDM driver error 21f) [jspclcap.sys at B83B0597]

then reboot to

IOSYSTEM VERIFICATION ERROR in pctgntdi.sys (WDM DRIVER ERROR 224)

[pctgntdi.sys+4c96 at A2108C96

rebooting again
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DatedmanCommented:
former looks like a printer driver?

Don't see anything on the latter.

BTW I'd limit it to unsigned drivers to start with...
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DatedmanCommented:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms792869.aspx see the stuff about volatile settings...should work to just check until next BSOD without bugging you at startup.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Just going again to safe mode to do the house cleaning.

BTW I have Acronis running. Perhaps the OS selection blocks normal reboot after Verifier.

I did run with only unsigned drivers selected and got immediately back to normal desktop.

I thought that perhaps best to just stay in safe mode but then I cannot test fix.
 
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DatedmanCommented:
Immediately back to normal desktop is good.  Then wait for the BSOD. :)
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
PC Tools is making quite an impression on me today.

The second file was from Jet Suite Fax. I have an old, but sturdy HP Laserjet  3100 Multifunction p rarely use the fax.  No loss there. HP can be forgiven for a printer ten years old.PC Tools pretends to avoid and fix problems.

Running file XFR test now.

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sinbad8508Author Commented:
PC Tools is making quite an impression on me today.

The second file was from Jet Suite Fax. I have an old, but sturdy HP Laserjet  3100 Multifunction p rarely use the fax.  No loss there. HP can be forgiven for a printer ten years old.PC Tools pretends to avoid and fix problems.

Running file XFR test now.

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sinbad8508Author Commented:
DRAT DRAT DRAT


STOP: Ox0000007F  (0x00000008, 0xB834070, 0x00000000,0x00000000)

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DatedmanCommented:
back to all drivers i guess.  Try volatile tho so it will hopefully only happen on crash?
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DatedmanCommented:
Hmm according to that page awawada sent, you have a double fault.  Nice...
You have the latest BIOS and drivers?
Try disabling write caching on disk drives?
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Now new error.

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL -  blah blah

STOP:0x00000001  (0xA2A8D1AF, 0x00000002, 0x00000008, 0xA2A8D1AF)

***   mozy.sys - ADDRESS A2A8D1AF base at A2A81000, DAtestamp48dd5d3b
***   mozy.sys - ADDRESS A2A8D1AF base at A2A81000, DAtestamp48dd5d3b
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DatedmanCommented:
Mozy backup?
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Going back to safe mode to delete Mozy.

Then plan to reboot.

What time zone are you in?
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DatedmanCommented:
I wonder if you should try a fresh install in a new folder (can say not to overwrite existing install and pick new location) and see if that install has the same problem?  It's basically a dual-boot scenario but with the same OS on both boots.  If the problem exists on the fresh install, it's likely hardware. :)  Or could be drivers or BIOS but at least you'll know it isn't third-party software leftovers or whatnot.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Mozy backup is online backup system.Very nice and no problem for over 2 years.

Important here in Florida where the whole house  and all backup can blow away. Still a bit complex.

Deleting it now.
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DatedmanCommented:
I'm not sure it's Mozy, could be that some hardware issue or other-driver-complication is causing this since it's unlikely so many things should give you a problem.

I'm familiar with the FL situ, in Fort Lauderdale waiting to see if the *massive* thunderstorm comes back before venturing out to get groceries.  However I'm more in favor of storing backups offsite.  If the roof comes off during a hurricane I'll grab my external drive right after the dog.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
I wonder if you should try a fresh install in a new folder . . .

Right- I was thinking about using the totally clean F Drive for that. The to set BIOS to go there first. No need even to use Acronis.

 I am getting close to remdial drinking hour here. That's why I asked about your time zone.

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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Cannot delete pgms in safe mode. Back to normal boot.
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DatedmanCommented:
I  may be afk a bit myself shortly, have to clean the house and go shopping before the kids get here tonight for the weekend.  

Missed the TZ question but I'm on a work-till-you-fall-down schedule, varies but usually up most of the day/night.
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DatedmanCommented:
U do have the latest BIOS and drivers?  btw when did this BSOD stuff start?
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Yes new BIOS and drivers updated by both me and bench tech.
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
I am going to shut down in a few. I hope you will look in tomorrow for a report . I very much appreciate your help.

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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Continuing tests today suggest that the diagnostic efforts suggested by Datedman have enabled me to cure the problem. (corrupted drivers identified by VERIFIER). Given the 45 day history of my struggles with this beast, I am not quite ready to close this matter, but so far it appears that we have indeed answered the question.

I will do more testing over the weekend.

Meanwhile thanks and have a good Forth!

sinbad
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Back on line- still troubleshooting. Now in SAFE mode trying to cure VERIFIER identified error:

"IO SYSTEM VERIFICATION ERROR pctgntdi.sys  (WDM driver error224)  [pctgntdi.sys+4c96 at A2037c96]

I am hunting for the pctgntdi.sys file. I ran RevoUninstaller to delete PC Tools files, but obviously not all were scrubbed.

FUN
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
NOW BSOD

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

stop:0x000000D1 (0xA1F851AF, 0x00000002,0x00000008,0xA1F851AF)

XXX     MOZY.SYS  -ADDRESS A1F51AF  base at A1F79000, datestamp 48dd5d3b

XXX     MOZY.SYS  -ADDRESS A1F51AF  base at A1F79000, datestamp 48dd5d3b

searching and deleting Mozy.sys

Also have trouble ticket running at Mozy

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DatedmanCommented:
Still think it's a disk problem.  OR, could be a virus affecting those files?
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sinbad8508Author Commented:
Hi Datedman-
Thanks for looking in. I hope you had a good weekend.
I've learned a lot since Friday. Part of the problem lies in a totally stubborn PC Tools Spyware Doctor package that clings on like Freddie. There are a couple of especially nasty bits (see http://www.pctools.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48526) and (http://www.pctools.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-44706.html) that seem to be nearly immune to everything but a format. One blocks all online access --something the PC Tools team initially denied and later admitted. There went Sunday.  

There are two new drives in the subject rig, including the C: drive, so I lean away from that theory. I have gained some info from the Event Viewer. This began when I installed Online Armor (a very solid program and not at fault except as a bystander). I disabled and later attempted to uninstall the PC Tools SD program, There were some weaknesses in the original C; drive, but that was replaced under warranty (Western Digital Raptor 76 gig).

I am now restoring the C: drive back to May 24. We'll see what happens then. Meanwhile, I'mm going to award the points on the initial question here, as the troubleshooting got be a better grip on the slimy mess here. Eventually I'll go to system 7, and I want try to limp along until the final release. I know there is an RC available now, but I really don't want to play with it.

If this saga continues, I'll post again. Thanks again for your help

sinbad








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sinbad8508Author Commented:
The original question now seems aspirational, and perhaps unrealistic. The assistance provided was very helpful in slogging through a series of problems, some totally unrecognized when I first asked the original question.
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DatedmanCommented:
Good luck, I'll keep monitoring in case...good to know about PC Tools blech.  I only use Symantec corporate products for AV altho they haven't been enough in some cases for customers, but in many cases the prevention is about as bad as the alternative I guess.
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