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memory voltage, and quad ranked vs dual
Hi Experts,
Our company purchased a Dell PE 2950 III Quad Core Xeon X5450 (3.0GHz, 2x6MB, 1333MHz FSB) server a year back, and are now looking to upgrade the memory.
From the spec on the invoice, the current memory is:
8GB (2x4GB Quad Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FB
... but when I search on the Dell site to purchase another 2 4GB chips, I can't find anything that looks like it matches... Unfortunately, I can't seem to find spec that says whether or not the memory that comes up in searches is Quad Rank or Dual Rank, or what voltage I need...
My question is, does Rank Matter - ie, if I end up buying Dual Rank instead of Quad, will that work / affect performance / cost more/less? Also, with regards to the voltage - is there a correct voltage I should order, and again, how does that affect performance / cost? I don't know what we currently have in the server, or how to find out...
Many thanks in anticipation!
Our company purchased a Dell PE 2950 III Quad Core Xeon X5450 (3.0GHz, 2x6MB, 1333MHz FSB) server a year back, and are now looking to upgrade the memory.
From the spec on the invoice, the current memory is:
8GB (2x4GB Quad Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FB
... but when I search on the Dell site to purchase another 2 4GB chips, I can't find anything that looks like it matches... Unfortunately, I can't seem to find spec that says whether or not the memory that comes up in searches is Quad Rank or Dual Rank, or what voltage I need...
My question is, does Rank Matter - ie, if I end up buying Dual Rank instead of Quad, will that work / affect performance / cost more/less? Also, with regards to the voltage - is there a correct voltage I should order, and again, how does that affect performance / cost? I don't know what we currently have in the server, or how to find out...
Many thanks in anticipation!
ASKER
Hi Callandor,
Thanks for your response - I'd already checked both of these resources, and they didn't seem to answer my question(s)...
Thanks for your response - I'd already checked both of these resources, and they didn't seem to answer my question(s)...
If you use lower rank RAM (ie, dual or single rank), you will get less capacity, but performance should not be affected. It will probably end up costing more overall because you'll need more RAM modules to achieve the same total RAM.
To find out what you currently have in the server, CPU-Z is a good tool to use: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
To find out what you currently have in the server, CPU-Z is a good tool to use: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
ASKER
Thanks Callandor - I'm a bit nervous about running the CPU-Z software, although it does look like it would give me the info I need. The server in question is in a live environment, and there's a FAQ on the website:
Q3: CPU-Z causes a general protection fault, or freezes my system, or causes a blue screen.
I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and pick up what looks the nearest spec memory and hope for the best!
Q3: CPU-Z causes a general protection fault, or freezes my system, or causes a blue screen.
I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and pick up what looks the nearest spec memory and hope for the best!
Crucial (and Kingston, I think) guarantees that their selector choices will work in your machine, so hopefully that means there is a high probability of success.
I started to suggest CPU-Z ... but ran it to confirm it would show the ranks -- and it does not. Not sure if it will do so with registered/FBDIMM modules or not. However, it should still provide the info you need, as the SPD tab will let you confirm the exact make/model of your installed RAM modules ... from which we can identify their exact characteristics (voltage, rank structure, etc.).
You can mix modules of different ranks ... but each pair has to be the same => and you can't use modules that require different voltages. Other than that, I'd trust the Crucial and/or Kingston selectors to identify the correct modules.
Dell's documentation for this sytem doesn't reference the total rank capacity of the memory controller ... but they sell the system with up to 8 dual-rank DIMMS installed, so as a minimum it clearly supports at least 16 ranks. I would definitely buy dual-rank modules if possible -- this will leave you additional room for expansion if 16 ranks turns out to be the limit.
You can mix modules of different ranks ... but each pair has to be the same => and you can't use modules that require different voltages. Other than that, I'd trust the Crucial and/or Kingston selectors to identify the correct modules.
Dell's documentation for this sytem doesn't reference the total rank capacity of the memory controller ... but they sell the system with up to 8 dual-rank DIMMS installed, so as a minimum it clearly supports at least 16 ranks. I would definitely buy dual-rank modules if possible -- this will leave you additional room for expansion if 16 ranks turns out to be the limit.
ASKER
Hi Garycase - thanks for your input - we already have Quad ranked in there (2 x 4GB Quad Rank) - I'm assuming you would recommend more quad rank rather than dual? I'm nervous about the CPU-Z utility for the reasons I stated above - do you know any other way to get the model/make for the installed ram?
Here is the compatible memory modules for the PE 2950 and PE 2950 III(click the compatibility link on the right to confirm)
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Memory_Upgrades/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=A2257233&mfgpid=193378
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Memory_Upgrades/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=A2257233&mfgpid=193378
I notice Dell doesn't mention quad rank in there specs but Kingston does.
Here are Kingstons compatible modeles
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KTD-WS667LPQ/8G
Here are Kingstons compatible modeles
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KTD-WS667LPQ/8G
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Perhaps a check on Dells site using the Service tag will give you the part number for the ram under "Original System Configuration" tab found here. You may be able to get the specs from that.
http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/my_systems_info/details?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&~tab=1&~ck=mn
http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/my_systems_info/details?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&~tab=1&~ck=mn
ASKER
Thanks - Everest did the trick. We'd already tried contacting Dell Support, and the website with the service tag - both turned up nothing useful. Everest gave us the answers we needed, and the RAM is being fitted today.
For an explanation of memory "rank", see http://www.kingston.com/li