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Hey everybody hope all are well. I am managing the IT department of an independant school and i am trying to verify the current back up procedures which i strongly believe not operating properly. I Have a domain server with Windows 2003  a File server with Windows 2003 64 and a backup server with Windows 2003. The back up server has RAID two 1T HDD.I want to find a software that i can back up : 120 Gig of data with the students ,administration and teaching data at the backup server. Also i would like a software that can be used to back up all permissions of the active directory users.I am using NTback up to create an image of the Hdd but i need a software package to fully back up or Syncdaily. At this stage i use Back up Platinum which will take about 10 hours to zip and back up the data. It is very important to me find solution ASAP. Can you please help me.

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There are numerous products out there depending on what you want to spend. You don't say if you have a tape drive/library. I would personally go with either backup exec or Arcserve. I'd also invest in an LTO backup drive and enough tapes to allow you to do a couple of weeks backups (and keep a couple back as monthly tapes). It really depends on what is expected in terms of recovery times etc...

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Steve
If you want to sync the data every hour or so and also copy the permissions you could use robocopy (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2006.11.utilityspotlight.aspx), but as sugested by oidz, your best option is nightly backups with backup exec or other tested option.
the advantage of robocopy is option to sync and also copy the permissions, check out the options here
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc733145(WS.10).aspx 
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The ntbackup utility of windows 2003 server is fully capable of making the backups you need. When you select the "System State", that makes a backup of the active directory data and and shadow copy volumes.

Leew, one of EE's most distinguished Experts, has built a script for ntbackup which you can adapt for your system on his homepage, along with good info:

http://www.lwcomputing.com/tips/static/backup.asp
http://www.lwcomputing.com/downloads/download.asp?id=1
http://www.lwcomputing.com/tips/static/sysstate.asp

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Thank you Rindi for the information . What a great web site!!!!!!
Otherwise tapes are not an option. What i will really like to do is the Data drive sync at real time with the Data drive at the backup server. I am willing to get a good backup package make sure everything will run smooth.
Things to consider:

1) If you synchronize in real time, you will also be synchronizing deletes (intentional and unintentional), viruses, overwrites, etc.   Mirroring protects against drive failures, not against errors, malice, etc

2) If you're using a server in the same location as a backup target, you don't really have a backup, you just have a copy.   You will be subject to complete data loss by natural forces (from a leaky roof to a hurricane, earthquake, .fire, etc.), or theft (Rarely do thieves say, "I'm going to leave that one, it's marked "backup server."), etc.

3) What legal or business rules govern data retention?  If you're a school, do you have to keep data for a year?  For five years?  For fifteen?  Keeping data on online disk can be expensive (power requirements alone, for large volumes of data)... and offline disks are NOT reliable for long-term data storage (the firmware process that refreshes the data doesn't run (surprise!) when the drive is powered off, sitting on a shelf, so data can become corrupted without you knowing.

4) There have been many instances in the US of students (or parents of students!) hacking in to school systems and changing grades, even to the middle school (young teenagers) level.  Keeping data online may allow all copies of data to be compromised at the same time.

It's important to have data off-site, and to have data that is in a backup format that can't be 'messed with' by normal business processes.  Tape is effective for all of these goals.  Replication of data through some process (such as Storage Mirroring from HP) can provide some of this.  Replication by using a virtual tape library can also work, giving you an offsite copy with low bandwidth replication.

Make sure you understand all the risks to your data, and which of them you are protected against.