SBS 2003 keeps shutting down - violation of EULA, event id 1014

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Recently I implemented a SBS 2008 system in our small office to replace a SBS 2003 system.  I re-installed SBS 2003 and left it as a domain "member" since the 2008 system is now the PDC to run Blackberry Enterprise Server.  Now the 2003 machine keep turning itself off due to a violation of the EULA - that it needs to be a domain controller - event id 1014.  Since I can't have 2 domain controllers (sbs doesn't support this),  how can I keep running BES on the 2003 machine (it works perfectly now that I finally set it up the right way) ???  Since you can't run BES on SBS 2008, this is the only way I can figure to accomplish my goal.  I have searched everywhere,  but the consensus is that SBS 2003 must be a domain controller, period.  What options do I have now to run BES ?
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SBS 2003 needs to be the DC with the FSMO roles, it cannot co-exiist on the same domain as any other SBS server. Period.
Philip ElderTechnical Architect - HA/Compute/Storage

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The shutdown sequence is the result of SBS not holding the FSMO roles and being at the root of the forest as mentioned by KCTS.

You need to get yourself a license for Windows Server 2003/2008 to install BES on. Yes, this means you need to reinstall everything.

Philip
A Window 2003 standard server can co-exist with an SBS server. You would need wipe the old SBS server, purchase a Windows 2003 Server standard license and install it on the former SBS 2003 server. Then, join the SBS domain as a member server.  
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^Agreed.  Can't have 2 SBSs on the same domain.  BES is not 64bit compatible and SBS 2008 is standard 64bit since Exchange 2007 requires 64bit. You will need to purchase a 2008 or 2003 Standard 32bit OS and replace the 2003 SBS.  From there you can install BES.

This forum has a good writeup:
http://www.blackberryforums.com/bes-admin-corner/75890-exchange-2007-bes-install-guide-100-fully-functional.html

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You can only have one SBS server in a forest.  This must be at the root of the forest and it must be a domain controller and it must hold the FSMO roles.  You can have additional domain controllers and member servers in an SBS forest but they cannot be SBS machines.  You can therefore have an additional server to run your SBS server but it should be running Windows Sergver 2003 standard. It need not be a DC. We recently had this problem and we resolved it by having the BES on a virtual server running Windows server 2003 hosted on our terminal Server which was running server 2008.
Brian PiercePhotographer
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Read my lips
SBS 2003 needs to be the DC with the FSMO roles, it cannot co-exiist on the same domain as any other SBS server. Period.

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KCTS is right, SBS 2003 and another domain controller and a single forest can't co-exist. Why? Because that is in violation of the Microsoft License agreement.

The SBCore server is there to enforce the agreement. When it detects multiple DCs it will shut the SBS down. If you use the SBCore kill method that you found, your shutdown problem will go away, but you will still be in violation of EULA and subject to penalties in case of an audit.
Philip ElderTechnical Architect - HA/Compute/Storage

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Clarification on efusion's comment: Detects other _SBS_ DCs it will begin the shutdown sequence after so many days.

You can have as many Win2K3 RTM/R2 Win2K8 RTM/R2 DCs on your SBS network as you want up to your 75 CAL limit.

Philip
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"So I assume that this won't work ??  

http://blog.grand-alliance.com/windows-server/sbs-2003-fix-sbcore-shutdown-in-30-minutes"

Yes, that will work, as a temporary workaround until you fix the situation.

I do that often in situations where i need a little time to migrate.

But by doing so permanently you are basically pirating windows, I doubt many companies would look kindly on it.

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To answer the specific question?

You can buy the Microsoft Small Business Server transition pack to upgrade SBS to a full server OS.  You can install it without having to rebuild the server.

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I plan to purchase the full server OS,  but for now I have to keep the Blackberry server running without shutting down every xx hours.  Like right now,  it has turned itself off again,  I can't get emails.  So I plan to implement the workaround with the intent to purchase the full server license when the funds are there.  Microsoft puts restrictions on its software that make no sense.  I have personally approved many, many thousands of dollars of Microsoft software over the past 12 years and just don't understand why they are trying to make me assign a certain role to my SBS 2003 software.  It's mine,  why can't I use it the way I want to ?? I paid for the 2008 SBS software,  I keep paying into Microsoft..... just very frustrating.  Thanks to you all for your comments,  I will award points tomorrow after I get a chance to review everything again.

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