My computer is "Out of Memory".

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In continuation of http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Components/Memory/Q_24835190.html how can I get past this problem and still have all my windows up?

According to bapic:
I "have either /or
-Exhausted the complete Interactive shared section 2nd parameter i.e. 3072, and you would need to reduce some of your app/utilization
-One or more of your applications has a bug that it is holding more than what it ideally should and not a good option to troubleshoot
-If each of your app uses interacive service and running under local system account, make them  run under another account and uncheck the option that says interact with desktop."
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Make sure your pagefile is large enough and there is enough contiguous space on the HD for it.

Also, sometimes software you might be running is poorly written and will cause memory leaks, and it won't release all the memory it had used back to the system after you close that app. For such situations there isn't much you can do except reboot, and hope the next version or updates for those apps will fix those issues. Maybe a message to the authors of such program titles may help accelerate the fixes, or look for similar software from their competitors....

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Pagefile is definitely large enough with over 11gb free on the partition that it is on.
There is no app that I can find that leaks or hogs memory. I have run applications designed to release said memory to no avail.

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OK, If your screenshot at the following link is from the problem state I dont see you are running into a Memory leak issue.
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Components/Memory/Q_24835190.html

We know you are almost running out of desktop heap from our previous finding. I would request the following:
- Get me a tasklist output
- Close some applications and run the dheapmon again. Do you see a drop of the Session id 0 usage rate for Winsta0?
-A list of all services running on the system and under which account; network service/local system or Local service.

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Also,
In the problem state when you can not run any new application or services, in the task manager on the Processes Tab, click View, Select Columns, and check USER Objects. Click the top of the column to change the sort order to descending, and send the screenshot.

Once the above is done; try the following:
-Make the following registry change
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management
SessionViewSize; set it to 64(decimal); By default it will be 48; and
SessionPoolSize to 20(decimal) then reboot the system and run all your apps and check the utilization by running dheapmon or check if you can run more apps then before.
Ref: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/840342

I'm hopeful this will fix your issue.

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-Tasklist /v output attatched (tasklistv.txt)
-Yes usage drops
-Services exported as tab separated (services.txt)

Maxed dheap to 99 and that's when the error started, screenied task manager along with dheap and attached (userobjects.png)

Tweaking the registry now.
tasklistv.txt
services.txt
userobjects.png

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Tweaked and rebooted but still maxed out my computer. 73.8 of default is being used with only open office, outlook, firefox and dheap open.
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Lets change the shared sec 2nd parameter from 3072 to 3200 and reboot the system and check the utilization with all the apps running. This is not a good idea to increase the value too much. Under normal load with all apps running how much PagedPool utilization do you see. If we increase the value drastically this will have a direct impact on the available PagedPool area.

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I've changed it to 4096, which looks like it will solve the problem, but to what adverse effect?

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great to hear that if that solves your issue.
Sessionviewsize is the overall mapped session space. and second parameter is the individual interactive session space. If we keep increasing them to accomodate more interactive services and applications, the paged pool area and free system Page Table entries will get exhausted which in turn may result in system hung, bugcheck, instability or sluggishness and anythung bad you can think off.

To check each parameter you can run a perfmon with Memory\Free system PTEs and memory\PagedPool  during with all the application running. Let me know the average utilization and I'll tell you if the system can take more pressure. But any point of time do not increase the 2nd parameter more extensively.

The other way is I will have to take a complete memory dump and find out what and how being exhausted and change the app or services accordingly to non-interactive from interactive.

Cheers!

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Free system PTE is 100 constantly and I can't find PagedPool.
dheap now says 45% with many apps open.

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100 Free sys ptes is not good. your system just might become slow or hang anytime. Reduce the 2nd parameter to 3200 and check the free sys ptes again and dheap use rate. pagedPool utilization you can find in task manager under performance tab below kernel memory or in perfmon memory\pagedpool bytes.

I loved your case. Brushing up all my memory management concepts afte a long time !

Cheers!

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Is there any way I can keep it at 4096 and increase something else to compensate?

Found your pagedpool - it's Pool Paged Bytes. It's also on 100.

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not an option. If you increase one thing and that takes space from someone else, since all the components has to use the same memory space available.

If your pagedPool is 100MB I would think you are good. But i really have a hunch that you are not looking at the correct data. can you create a perfmon counter log with all memory counters and instances and run for say 2 min with 5 sec interval during the time when all your apps running and attach here?

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But if you increase both spaces...

Logged, screenshot and uploaded.
perfmon.png

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I would need the .BLG file to look at, from the image all I can see is the PagedPool usage is 120 MB approx which should be OK. please upload the image hilighting the Free System Page Table Entries counter or attach the .BLG file

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FSPTE is a flat line at the top.
This it?
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Commented:
Did you create a Perfmon counter log with the counters I suggested? If you did it should log the data in a .BLG file. I would need that .blg file.

test.JPG

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Commented:
"An error occurred with the server. Please try again later." EE uploading kept failing, so I've uploaded it here:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1191153/Perfmon_000001.blg

Commented:
Data was taken for 5:20 min
PagedPool utilization at 144MB
Free SysPTEs over 104859 which is good
Availavle mmory in MB never went down less than 239

If that was during when all apps were running with everything you needed, I would say your issue is fixed.

Cheers!

Commented:
Sorry the data was taken for 5 min and 20 Sec. 2:42:06 pm - 2:47:26PM on 4th

Author

Commented:
Thank you so much. Next question will be how to fix my overloaded computer :p

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