Netware 5 questions

I have a few questions to the Netware 5 experts.   My main issue is this, I have Windows 95 and Netware 5 on the same HD but separate partitions.   Please don't ask why I did this for.   I did this for experimental reasons.   Windows 95 is on C:\ and Netware 5 is on D:\ partition.   My question is, how do I remove ONLY Windows 95 (C:\) partition without disrupting the Netware partition?   Yes, I know that I can use Partition management software.   I want to remove the Windows partition.   I know the obvious answer is to reinstall Netware 5 from scratch.   I don't really want to do that.

My 2nd question, which Netware 5 Service Pack is the stable one to install?

Thanks for your suggestions.
pfishernyAsked:
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NothingSiriusConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Sure. Not a lot more I can say about NW 4/5 installation though - but we'll see.

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bas2754Commented:
I want to be sure I understand this - You have a Windows 95 Partition C: and a DOS Partitition D: and then you have a third Non-Dos partition to hold your netwware volume correct?  You want to remove the 95 partiion and do what with it?  If you are trying to increase the space for the Netware partition, it would be better to backup and reinstall the system laying everything out the way you want it.

Only other options are to use a commercial or possible Open source utility to resize the partition.  I believe 6a is the current and last Service Pack for Netware - BUT make sure that you have a backup of your system prior to installing it and that your drivers either support it - OR - you have new drivers for your hardware that support it - OR - the included drives in the SP support your hardware.  We ran into an HP LC3 that had a RAID controller that stopped working when we added the service pack to the system.

Give more details on the hard drive partitioning and we will see what we can do.
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Thanks for the response.  I believe you are somewhat correct.  However, I think Netware sits on the D: drive. I am not sitting in front of the computer right now.   I don't think I have a Non Dos partition but I might.  I want to delete Windows 95 completely.  Again, I don't want to touch the Netware partition.  

Let me explain the hardware side of things.  I have two SCSI drives controlled by an Adaptec AHA2940 controller.   However, the controller sees the two drives a one.   If that makes sense to you.  So, what happened was, this computer was originally configured with Netware 4.11 and Adaptec AHA 1130u controller.  I installed Windows 95 cause I wanted to try to configure Netware 4.11 better.  I thought that it is easier to configure Netware 4.11 under Windows than to configure it under Netware.   Yes, I am aware that Netware 4.11 is old.  I had so many problems with trying to configure 4.11 that I swapped controllers and decided to install Netware 5.   Well, after the controller swap, I was successful installing Netware 5.   Now, I want to get rid of Windows 95 without reinstalling Netware.   Worse case, I will start from scratch if needed.  
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NothingSiriusCommented:
There's no reason to be too concerned about removing the Windows 95 partition and the DOS partition, being very careful to leave the non-dos partition untouched. The non-dos partition is your Netware system. So ..

Copy the entire DOS partition to another location you can get it back from - like a parallel ZIP drive or some such - or use the Windows 95 to copy the files from the DOS partition onto a CD. Once the files from the DOS partition are safe and verified, remove the two partitions (DOS and Win95), once again making SURE to leave the non-dos partition untouched. Reformat the entire remaining space under DOS 6.22 or some such, get it bootable, then copy the contents of your former DOS partition back to the drive. Remember that you need to format the drive with the same version of DOS as the old drive, or change the DOS files on the drive to match the files on the hard drive.

Netware loads into memory and then essentially unloads DOS and runs on it's own. SO - the partitions made by DOS or Windows don't make any difference to it.

One last time - LEAVE THE NON-DOS PARTITION UNTOUCHED. I think I've made that clear? <smiles>

Of course - in all instances, make sure to back up the data on the Netware 5 server first .. just in case something goes nasty ..
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Nothing Siruis:  

Thanks for your response.   You know the more I think about this computer, I think I might start all over again with it.   I just have to make sure I have the Adaptec AHA 2940 drivers for Netware.  I believe I would use those drivers NOT the drivers that come with Netware.    

What do you think is a stable Service Pack for Netware 5?  I thought SP6a was NOT stable for some reason.  I thought SP5 was a better service pack for Netware 5.    Any thoughts, Nothing Siruis?  
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NothingSiriusCommented:
The 2940 drivers downloaded from Adaptec's site seem to be just fine, and they work fine with the new chipsets .. I use the 2940UW controllers for old DLT tape drives for NW4.11 and 5.x servers. I'd agree not to use the ones that ship with NW5 though, since they are pretty old by now and the newer boards may not be supported.

I haven't had any problem with just using the latest service pack - that is, SP8. Is there a reason you can't use that? I have a bunch of servers running it ...

On the reformat, not a bad idea altogether, although I'm not a fan of reinstalling Netware. It ain't Windows. <grin> If you DO decide to reformat, it might be fun to just do as I suggested above - kill the two other partitions and see if it all comes up and works right. If not, you aren't out anything and you've gained experience and faith in the process, assuming it works. Even if you DO kill it all and start over immediately after.

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NothingSiriusCommented:
BTW, when you say Netware 5, I'm assuming NW 5.1 - is that correct? On rereading your comments, it does begin to sound like you are using 5.0, which is a different animal. SP6a is the most current one for it .. but we pretty well bypassed 5.0, everything I have in service is running 5.1. I don't really have any data for NW5.0.
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Bob JennerCommented:
If you look in your "C" partion, do you have thr Novell startup directories with the autoexec.ncf and startup.ncf files in them? If so, and you completely remove the "C" partition, your Netware will not boot without a configured boot floppy. Can you post a directory of the "C" partition?
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NothingSiriusCommented:
Autoexec is on the SYS volume. And if he reformats his partition to make a new C: drive and copies all the files back into it, it will boot fine.
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Nothing Sirius:

You seem to be very knowledgable of Netware.  Do you have a background in it?  Yes, I have Netware 5.0 not 5.1.   So, I should use SP6a for the service pack?   Do you have a Netware 4.11 installed on a computer or server?   If so, how did you install Netware 4.11?   For example, did you install DOS first then 4.11.   If you have fully installed it from scratch, details please.
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NothingSiriusCommented:
I've been Novell certified since 1990 or so, certified in Netware 2.2, 3.x, 4.x, 5.x and 6.x.

4.11 and 5.x are simple installs. Biggest problem you'll find with 4.11 is drivers for new hardware. If you want a 4.11 install, I'd suggest finding an old Pentium III or so Compaq server to play with - you can pick them up for less than $100 on eBay. Being Compaq makes it easy to find drivers for older OS's.

Basically, you just format a DOS partition with a system on it, get your DOS CD drivers working and run the INSTALL program on the Netware CD. Netware 6.x and maybe later versions of Netware 5, were even easier, they'd format and install DOS for you and set up the default partitions, even select drivers for your hardware.

So far as service packs, I'd say it's a <shrug>, since NW 5 was pretty bullet proof no matter what version you were using. And .. I doubt seriously if you'll be running a multi-million dollar banking concern on your NW 5 server, so if it goes down three times a year instead of twice a year, it won't be that noticeable.

Cheers!
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Nothing Sirius,

Do you have an email address outside of this site?   If  you don't mind me bouncing Netware questions off of you.   Is there a good Netware site for dummies like me?  I mean a place that has tutorials for installing Netware 4.11 and 5?     At my previous job, we had a CNE person that handled any major problems with our old Netware 4.11 servers.    Since then, my old boss moved to the Apple Xserves which we got rid of the old Netware file server.   I ended keeping the computer which I wanted to duplicate installing Netware 4.11 on it.    Don't ask why.   I guess for memories.

thanks for the help.
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NothingSiriusCommented:
<smiles> I don't mind to much exchanging mail with you .. only problem is I don't want to post my email address on a public forum! Any suggestions?
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Ok, fair enough.  I understand.  So, you can send me an email at jkbmjp@yahoo.com.  We can continue on outside of this forum.  Ok.  What I will do is this, since you have very helpful and friendly, I want to give you the 500 points.   I will accept the solution and award you the points.   We can continue to talk via email.  Sound good?
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Thanks for help.  Maybe talk on the other side.
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pfishernyAuthor Commented:
Thanks again.
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