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Hi, I installed Fedora Red Hat 12 (Finally got it to work) and after rebooting the pc and working in W7 for a while, I tryied to log on onto Fedora 12 and got the following message " No boot device detected computer sleeping forever" after the fedora (blue screen) finish loading.

I rembember marking the partition as primary on which Fedora and W7 reside while working on W7.

I was very difficult for me to install Fedora 12 to start with because the installation program keeps telling me there was not enough space on my drive (I have like 187 GB availalbe). I deleted some partitions that came with my Dell M1330 and finally was able to do the instalation.

Is there anyways to reinstall Fedora without having to wipe out the HDD again.. I did it several times to get it close to work? What should I do? I tryied to reinstall but again when select either use free space or shirink the dist it is telling me there is no available space ( i do have lots of GB available).

I just dont want to reinstall the two OS again since I have done couple of times. I got it to work fine at the begining but made the mistake of shirinking the disk to 15000 MB only. In sum, I want to be able to have them in the same partition which I need to be big b/c of the number of applications that I install in W7.

Please let me know what needs to be done to fix the issue.

JS
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Are you mixing up partitions and drives? It is very unusual to have Linux and Windows on the same partition (I even wonder how it should work), and it is absolutely not advisable at all.
Whereas there is no problem in installing both to separate partitions on the same drive.

Because Fedora's Anaconda installer and the integrated partitioning module aren't really optimal tools, I'd suggest you use a separate live CD for doing the partitioning prior to installing; Parted Magic (www.partedmagic.com) is a very good live CD specialized in this issue.
Boot off it, use its partitioning tool (which is GParted), and set up your drive into the partitions you would like to have.
A possible setup would be:
- one large primary NTFS partition for Windows
- an extended partition big enough to hold your Fedora installation and a swap partition
- inside the extended, create the Fedora partition as Ext3 (or ext4, but I hesitate to recommend this), and label it "Fedora". It should be about 12-15 GB minimum if you just intend to play around. If your intentions are more serious, make it larger
- lastly, create a Swap partition inside the extended, formatted "Linux Swap", and make it a bit larger than the amount of installed RAM on the system.

Then run the Fedora installation again.
When it comes to specifying the partitioning, select "Create custom layout", and point it to the partition you created for Fedora; click "Edit" and make this partition to be "mountpoint /".
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Thank you for the advice.. I will try but before moving on, Will I have to reinstall W7 again? (i guess so).
Also, I am not that confortable using the "Customer Layout" when installing Fedora so do you have any site where I can read a little bit about using that option?

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Just a couple of annotations to your original post:

- On the level of OS installations, there is a difference between "used space" and "available space". Even if you have 187 GB of unused space on your Windows partition, it is still inside this partition and not available to other operating systems. In order to make it available, you need to first shrink the Windows partition.

> "I rembember marking the partition as primary on which Fedora and W7 reside while working on W7."

- You may mark a partition as "active" but not as 'primary'. It must be created as 'primary'.
- Windows in general is unable to detect Linux drives or partitions. Seen from within Windows, they are simply inexistent. So you will most likely have looked at only a half of your partitioning setup. And whatever you did to the partition, it may not have been what you thought it was.

On a side not:
May I ask why you want Fedora running on your computer? Is it because you'd like to experiment with Linux and learn it?
In that case, you may also want to consider installing Linux inside a virtual machine like Virtualbox (www.virtualbox.org) or VMWare (www.vmware.com). Or you could install Wubi (wubi-installer.org) which is like "Ubuntu for Windows".
Both solutions would not mess with your current partitioning scheme, would not be able to destablilize your system or make it unbootable due to improper usage, and would still give you the opportunity to learn and study Linux.
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Does Windows 7 still start? - Then of course you don't have to reinstall it.

If it doesn't boot up any more, run the Parted Magic disk, run the Partitioning Tool, and check if you are able to find out what it was that you altered about the partition. It may be reversible. Make sure, the large NTFS partition (either first one, or first large one) is active; for this, right-click the partition, select 'Manage flags', and set the 'boot' flag.

On the Parted Magic desktop, open a terminal (text mode windows) and type:
fdisk -l   <--- a small 'L'

Then copy the output here.
If possible, it would also be nice to have a screenshot of the Partitioning Tool window. There is a screenshot utility in Parted Magic; you could use a USB flash to save it, or you could connect to Experts-Exchange from inside Parted Magic, if you manage to get the network running (there is an icon for this on the desktop; if you have a normal connection via LAN cable to a router, simply accept the defaults)
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Well, there is nothing uncanny about the "Custom layout" in the installation partitioning screen.
I checked the Fedora documentation: it is full of technical details that don't have anything to do with your system, and that will only confuse you.

If you feel uncertain, boot Fedora DVD up to that screen, then make note of what you see (or shoot a photo), and post here. I'll guide you.
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Windows 7 is working fine. I actually thought to use VMWARE Workstation. I just wanted to learn Linux and Fedora Ret Hat is part of a DVD course that I purchase from Train Signal. Since I am not able to purchase VMW Workstation (but will do it later) then I decided to install F on my pc following the installation guide from the Fedora Web Site...

I will try Virtual Box to see how it works but I am sure will have to reinstall W7 in order to adjust my partitions clean up the Fedora Installation..

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I found it funny because when I shirink the Disk to about 15 GBs and have both OS installed everything seems to be working fine.. I just did not feel confortable with not having a bigger partition for the OS when I have lots of space left on the Disk.

I read a note in one of those thread and some people were having some kind of similar issue when they installed in a partition bigger than 137 GBs since their PC' mother board only allow about 137 GBs partitions or something like that on the Disk. I was ondering if that has to be with the issue since I resized the partition to about 187 GBs last time I installed..  

Then last part was just a note in case you know something about it.. I will take your advise of using a  virtual machine to try it..
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Well found some screenshots of the installation:

http://www.labtestproject.com/screenshot/fedora_9/pages/014_create_partition.html
Here, select "Custom Layout" in the topmost dropdown box

http://www.labtestproject.com/screenshot/fedora_9/pages/015_partition_layout.html
Here you choose the installation partition in the graphical bar at the top (your bar will look very different!)
Select the partition you created with Parted Magic; if you are uncertain, check the list below the bar: the aprtition you must select is the only one of "Type: ext3".
Once found, highlight it, and click "Edit".
You will now get a dialogue that is not represented by a screenshot in that collection; there is a dropdown called 'Mountpoint' at the top. Select "/". Then either select to format, or, if you only just formatted the partition and it is empty, leave "unchanged". Then click Ok.

That's it.
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a) If Win7 works fine, there is no need to reinstall.
Boot off Parted Magic, run the partitioner, delete all partitions at the end of the drive but keep the 15 GB one which holds Win7.
Then expand the Win7 one to be as large as you want.
(Note: after each step, click the 'Apply' button - don't ever undo a step and then apply another one! If you mess up, don't apply anything, just restart the tool)
Expanding should work just as well as shrinking worked before. But there is always a risk in partitioning. Worst case is that you will have to reinstall.

b) VMWare workstation is free. This must be an old course you have bought. Maybe it's even an old version of Fedora?

c) Compared to Linux distros like Ubuntu, Mint, PCLinuxOS, MEPIS or even SuSE, Fedora is not beginner friendly. If you only wish to study and learn, there is no need to have it physically on your drive. You can always get rid of a virtual machine without any hassle whatsoever; deleting Fedora from your system would be much more difficult.

d) The 137 GB barrier has got nothing to do with this whatsoever; neither Linux nor Win7 are affected by it.
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Sorry, made a mistake in point #b above:

VMWare player, VMWare Server, and VMWare ESXi are free; VMW Workstation is not free. I did not keep updated because I prefer VirtualBox anyhow, being a completely free and open-source product.
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