Why would anyone want to revert to Groupwise???

Hey guys,

Basically whats going on is my parent company in Switzerland uses Novell/Groupwise. They are attempting to now convert my branch (US Operations) from Exchange/Outlook to Novell/Groupwise. I personally feel that this is a bad move! I feel from what I have heard that there are many faults to usinig Groupwise and that there are many compatiabiltiy issues. Can anyone give me any reason why I would be wrong or give me as much fuel as possible to win this debate to help me keep Exchange/Outlook here at my location???
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Mike ThomasConsultantCommented:
Groupwise works, it does a lot and works well.  I however prefer Exchange, I like MS products sitting on other MS products, but some companies do run groupwise and they are geared up for it, they have GW admins not exchange they have license agreements and so on, when companies buy other companies it is normal for them to psuh their technology onto the aquired company, it  make the cost of ownership lower.

I am affraid your going to have to live with it, but GW isn't a bad product it does more nativly than exchange, companies will run their intranets on it aswell as other apps and it will all appear in the client, they end up relying on it heavily, so it's hard to change I guess someone once said its like an application server that does email and it is somewhat true, so they dont just give up email.

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sbodnarAuthor Commented:
can groupwise be run on exchange??? i just spoke to the IT person overseas and I was told that they are not running Novell?? So, how can they use Groupwise?
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giltjrCommented:
I can't be run on Exchange.

    http://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/tech_specs.html

The server side runs on Novell, Linux, or Windows.
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sbodnarAuthor Commented:
so, how do you make groupwise work on a windows box?? what functions as the post office?
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giltjrCommented:
Which "box" the server or the client?  There is a Groupwise client that runs on the desktops.  Groupwise on the server acts as the e-mail server.

Just in case you are not sure what Groupwise is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroupWise

It really goes beyond Exchange, at least what I beleive Exchange can do.  Both Lotus Domino and Groupwise are more like Sharepoint and Exchange combined.  Document management, content management, as well as e-mail, calendaring, and PIM.
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sbodnarAuthor Commented:
when I say box I mean the server... trying to understand how one would deploy groupwise in a windows enviornment. I thought it was only exculsive to novell
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Mike ThomasConsultantCommented:
I have totally been confusing groupwise with notes in my comments above. Anyhow groupwise is terrible the only reason they would use is that they have a bunch of novel gurus making decisions and they are scared of ms products and are unwilling to retrain. ;)
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Mike ThomasConsultantCommented:
I have totally been confusing groupwise with notes in my comments above. Anyhow groupwise is terrible the only reason they would use is that they have a bunch of novel gurus making decisions and they are scared of ms products and are unwilling to retrain. ;)
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giltjrCommented:
Did you go to the web page I gave you?  Groupwise is no longer limited to running on Novell Netware.  It can run on:

Novell Open Enterprise Server (NetWare® or Linux version)
Novell Open Enterprise Server 2 (NetWare or Linux version)
NetWare 6.5
SUSE® Linux Enterprise Server 10
Windows 2003 Server or Windows 2008 Server

Three different distributions of Linux and two different version of Windows, only one NetWare.

As for MojoTech comments, they are his opinion.  Both products have their strengths and weaknesses.  

As for retraining, I am assuming that MojoTech has never had to retrain 10,000 users on a new product that they have been using for a decade or two. Not to start a flame war, but  in my experience it is MS admins that are scared to learn something.  Bolstered by MojoTech's own comment "I like MS products sitting on other MS products."  In other words, I don't care what the best product for my situation is, I want MS.

As for your company wanting to switch.  I don't know the size of your parent company or the size of yours.  Most companies like to run the same software across their enterprises.  Allows for discounts and continuity of operations.  If you are a office of 500 and they have 10,000, who do you think should switch.  Now if you are the office of 10,000 and they are the office of 600, then it does not make sense.
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