Word can not complete the save a file due to file permission error

Dear  Team,

      We are using 2008 server and client XP. I need to remove delete Permissions for few users, for that i applied permissions.....

User side: from that time user can modify the data and save the documents which is happened in Open ofice org, but not in MS office. After modify the file user cannot save the file in MS office format but he can save the document in Open office format.  Please provide the solution for the same.

Note: In client side we are usong Open office and MS office
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LakshmisekharAsked:
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SStoryConnect With a Mentor Commented:
You are wanting us to change the way that Word works.

The KB I sent you, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211632, says this is a mechanism used by Word for data integrity,  and speed. It is in the same folder as the file so that a move can just rename the file without actually moving anything. The following is a quote from that KB:

"Word gains significant performance speed by placing the temporary file in the same directory as the saved file. If Word placed the temporary file elsewhere, it would have to use the MS-DOS COPY command to move the temporary file from the other directory to the saved location. By leaving the temporary file in the same directory as the saved document file, Word can use the MS-DOS MOVE command to quickly designate the temporary file as the saved document."

So you are wanting it to do something it isn't designed to do.  I suppose you could create a RAMDISK and let it access the doc in memory and then copy it back, but that would be kludgy and risky.
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mrroonieCommented:
have you tried what Microsoft say about it? - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212347
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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
Ya tried with microsoft says but not working please find the solution
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mrroonieCommented:
is MS office fully up-to-date? - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311153
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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
Dear  mrroonie,

       Thanks for your suggestion!!

SOme what issue is resolve but while saving time of word file it iis leaving one of the temp file like ~WRD000.tmp SO please provide the solution that how to stop the creation of these dummy files.

Regards
Sekhar
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mrroonieCommented:
i think if you hide hidden and system files they will disappear - Word is well known to create a lot of temp files while in use (http://word.tips.net/Pages/T001389_Too_Many_Temporary_Files.html)

to hide hidden and system folders open Windows Explorer and go to the Tools menu and then Folder Options, then go to the 'view' tab along the top, and in the list search for the radio button for 'Don't show hidden files or folders'. when you click it and apply it the temp files will no longer be visible
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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
Hi ,

      Those temp files are not hidden files...i already kept the application as do not show Hidden files.......As per that temp file it is not creating hidden temp. SO provide alternate solution
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mrroonieCommented:
does the .tmp file still exist after you have closed word?
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mrroonieCommented:
please see here for information on Word temp files - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211632
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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
Dear  mrroonie,


          I have already read that document. in that document few description is thare about how temp files are creating but not how to stop.....so please take the high priority this issue.

      I Have updated office xp then it is saving the file but left temps files every time .  if i use MS office 2007 after updated, still problem was not resolve that not saving and getting error for that please find below
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mrroonieCommented:
have you tried Word 2007 Advanced options (Alt, F, Alt I, A) in
the Save subsection for
[x] Copy remotely stored files onto your computer, and update the remote file when saving"
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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
Hey anybody is there and have the guts to resolve this issue?

    Without move the document local and after modify and save then have to move server....it's common solution......   do and give something new experts.....
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KCTSCommented:
You can't stop the creation of ~tmp files win word - word needs them to work. Users need to have permissions to create and delete word ~tmp files as well as the documents themselves.
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khobsonCommented:
Not sure why temp files are a problem.  MSWord should delete them when it is done with them.  If not, some use a program called CCleaner.exe to clean the temp files and more.

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johnb6767Commented:
Process Monitor
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/processmonitor.mspx

Set the filter at the top to Include "Result" is "Access Denied" then "Include", and then try and recreate the errors by saving the file. ..........Then go look at the logging, and it will tell you where the permissions are hosed.

Once you open those up, keep retrying until you get the desired results.... Might just be a folder/reg key....
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SStoryCommented:
I agree with KCTS,
Word uses Temp files when you are making changes. Then when you save it probably deletes the original and renames the temp to the name of the original.
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SStoryCommented:
I suggest making good backups to be able to recover the file if someone actually deletes it. Part of giving Write access is to give delete access.
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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
Dear  Expetrs,


          To delete the temp file  has to  use CCleaner and if deleted any file by user we can provide it from backups it's common solution yaarrrrrr.

         But we don't require that type of solutions

         I want without creation of temp file we can work on server drive on MF office files that is only we required.

         I havce posted the query past 25 days but there is no proper solution.

NOTE:  Once again iam reminding to you this problem was not occuring with MS office 2003 and Open office,   Only problem with LS office XP and 2007.

          So guys please try to resolve towards this way.

         Iam very thankful to u if you provide proper solution.


      CAN YOU CHECK IT REGARDING REGISTRY LEVEL.
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johnb6767Commented:
Did you try Process Monitor? should tell you exaCTLY WHERE YOU ARE BEING DENIED....

Also, creation of TEMP files has been around a long time in Office, and I dont think it is possible to disable them.

Just reread the thread (had to freshen up on it...)....

You modified SPECIAL permissions, to disallow deleting.... Thats why they cant delete the TEMP copy of the file....
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SStoryCommented:
As we've said, Word uses temp files.
Please read this per Microsoft:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211632

This tells what NTFS permissions are needed:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/277867/

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LakshmisekharAuthor Commented:
it's not resolvinng my problem
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johnb6767Connect With a Mentor Commented:
You arent going to be able to resolve this unless you re allow deleting of files, that you disallowed via special perms....
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