Soundcard Defaults Keep Changing

This is a continuation of a problem that I thought was solved but has reared its ugly head again. The original post was: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Components/Video_Cards/Q_25608616.html which began as this...

My PC is an HP e9150t quad core machine using an Intel i7 CPU (920@2.67 GHz). I have 8 GB of RAM and am running Windows 7 Home Premium-64-Bit. I currently have two graphics cards, both ATI Radeons. They are the 4650 and 4550.

The 4650 is connected to two monitors. The 4550 is connected only to my HDTV. I use a voice activation program called Dragon NaturallySpeaking and a "Boom O" headset microphone with an Andrea PureAudio USB soundcard that is plugged into my PC through a USB port.

Approximately 3 weeks ago, I upgraded from Vista 64 home premium to Windows 7 home premium. Previously, I had desktop speakers which nobody could ever get to work with the system setup I had. The last recommendation was that hopefully when I went to Windows 7, the issue would resolve itself. It did not.

Therefore, approximately one week ago, I removed the speakers physically from my system. Please note that for the previous three months, the speakers had not been connected to my PC.

In spite of some great suggestions and attempting everything that we can think of, the problem has not gone away and essentially the only way that I can make the HDMI port the default one is to reboot the system, which is not exactly convenient.

We must be missing something. Does anyone have any idea?
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wyliecoyoteukIT directorCommented:
Apart from a total reinstall, the only way that I have been able to resolve  similar issues is to delete all of the offending items from device management page, cross fingers and reboot.
Windows then redetects and reinstalled them correctly.
Often the correct hardware driver is "hidden" by a driver for another item which is no longer connected.
Sometimes similar device drivers need to be installed in a particular order, and removing one can screw things up.
Things are not as bad as they used to be, but now and again badly written drivers for similar devices conflict.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
I thought this looked familiar!
One thing to bear in mind is that Windoze is detecting the video devices at boot and has always been problematic about sensing them afterwards.  Why I mention this is because the HDTV may need to be on and set to use that HDMI port when the system boots and there may be very little we can do about it.
Now; compounding the problem, I smell a system with "20 pounds of p**p stuffed into a 5 pound bag" meaning you have way too many devices for Windoze to allocate happily, especially in light of the fussing with getting it to work.  Here is an old NT4 trick to open a device manager with everything the system has ever thought was plugged in:
Do START and in the Search Box, type CMD<CTRL-SHIFT-ENTER> (hold down CTRL and SHIFT while you press ENTER}  This will open a CMD prompt running with elevated priveleges.
In it, type SET_DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1<enter>, then DEVMGMT.MSC<enter>
A device manager window will appear.
In it, click on View and Show Hidden Devices
That device manager now shows everything ever detected.
Spend some time expanding every category.  Any item which is grayed out is not present and, if you know you won't be reconnecting it, you should right-click on the entry and choose Uninstall.  Everything in Other Devices needs to go and you may find that HP left another systemboard lurking in both System Devices and USB.  Those should be uninstalled, too allong with every grayed out Monitor you find.
The only items which need to be left alone are some of the networking protocol entries, VGA and a few others in Non Plug and Play, and codecs listed in Sound, video, and game controllers.
If any devices are showing with yellow exclamation marks, save them for last; but, I'll bet at least one under Sound..... will be.  When you have uninstalled it, reboot and do the device manager again.
You might also help the system by uninstalling the parallel and/or serial ports if they have the yellow marks on them as they are using interrupts which could help the system get itself straightened out.
And lasttly, for now, please tell me you are not using a USB wireless network device and are you using that Andrea USB sound device because it has noise cancelling or because the onboard audio hasn't worked?
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

Questions and results:

1. When you say "...because the HDTV may need to be on and set to use that HDMI port when the system boots and there may be very little we can do about it." You mean the HDTV should be on on my computer reboots?

2. I tried your "CMD<CTRL-SHIFT-ENTER>" thing and it didn't work. I'm attaching a screenshot of what I got, but obviously it did not like it

3. I am also attaching screenshots of every expanded listings under my Device Manager. The only one not expanded is for storage controllers, because I ran out of space on my desktop, but if you need it, I'll be happy to supply it.

4.I assume you'll be happy to know that I am not using a USB wireless network devices

5. I'm using the Andrea USB sound device because I'm using the voice activation program Dragon NaturallySpeaking with a high end microphone (the Boom O) and the Andrea Pure Audio device was very highly recommended to be used with this system as the soundcard.

Here is its description:

"Andrea PureAudio USB-SA USB Pod

Increase intelligibility and performance of microphone input and stereo speaker output with patented noise reduction technology enhancing your digital audio applications.  

Your headset, microphone or speakers will perform only as good as the sound card or integrated audio system that you plug into. Most laptops and PCs today have audio systems built in and it is often placed close to noisy components like the power supply or high frequency processors. In addition, PC's may be used in high noise level environments which can affect the performance of applications, such as those that use speech input.

Andrea's PureAudio™ USB-SA with patented noise reduction technology eliminates noise problems as it utilizes high quality digital circuitry and has state of the art noise reduction algorithm software. This format bypasses your desktop or laptop computer's sound system, providing increased intelligibility and performance of stereo microphone input and stereo speaker output for all of your digital audio applications including VoIP and speech recognition programs."

I purchased it because a Dragon NaturallySpeaking expert recommended it, not because I was having any problems with my other audio.

6. You stated that I have way too many devices for Windows to allocate happily. I'm confused by this statement because I'm not really sure what you are referring to is far too many devices, and I wasn't aware that there was any specific limit, as long as everything fit. Can you please elaborate?

wyliecoyoteuk, when you say "to delete all of the offending items from device management page, cross fingers and reboot." - I you saying to right-click on the two ATI audio devices and choose uninstall? Also, if I were to do a complete reinstall, I haven't read anything which makes it so confident the problem would go away. Or, is that a foregone conclusion?

Thank you.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Sorry, forgot to include the files.
devmgr.jpg
dm1.jpg
dm2.jpg
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
1> YES
2> Damn, partly my bad (and yours), klutzy fingers...
SET DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1<enter> (its SET<space>)
DEVMGMT.MSC<enter> (you left out the T)
Only this will display the devices Windoze thought were detected so, reread my earlier post.
6> The IBM AT (ala 1984) standard defines 15 interrupts and prescribed memory/ IO port allocations for various devices.  Plug and Play was established using those. And, even though Windoze has supposedly evolved beyound the limitations of those standards, "backwards compatability" is still an issue that haunts us.  YOU are way beyond the number of devices which can be supported by 15 interrupts!
Further; if any of your devices have the same Plug and Play (read Plug and Pray) discovery ports, there may be no way to straighten things out. (YUCH!!!)
In simplified, lay terms, Plug and Pray works like this.....
Imagine a whole bathroom with a toilet, sink, shower, and more.
When you turn your computer on, all that exists is the doorknob (aka the Plug and Pray port)
As soon as you initialize the doorknob, POOF, the rest of the bathroom appears.
So, what do you think happens if two devices have the same "doorknob"?
 
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photoman11Author Commented:
I am attaching several screenshots of the device manager with several questions. At this point, I have not uninstalled anything, pending your comments.

My system has 2 internal hard drives: a 1.5 TB and a 750 GB. It also has an internal DVD/CD drive. Externally, I have one DVD/CD drive ("LiteON"), and three hard drives:
- A 1 TB Fantom
- A 1 TB HP
- A 750 GB Lacie

As far as additional devices, I have a wireless Bluetooth dongle to synchronize my Palm, a USB hub, to which is connected a Canon printer, an HP DeskJet, an HP LaserJet, and an Epson scanner which has not been turned on for a while since there is no driver for Windows 7.

In addition to that, there is one port on the front of the computer which I download my photos on, from my compact flash card, and I have a portable USB flash drive.

I have to traditional LCD monitors and one HDTV connected to the two graphics cards, and the Andrea Pure Audio USB soundcard.

I also ran a utility (CPUID) which showed something interesting regarding the videocards - it shows three of them. I've also include a screenshot of that.
video-cards.docx
new-DM1.jpg
New-DM2.jpg
New-DM3.jpg
New-DM4.jpg
DM5.jpg
device-manager-6.jpg
device-manager-7.jpg
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Isn't that an impressive heap?
One gotcha in Windoze is that each time you plug a device into a different USB port, you get another instance of that device and, every time you boot, Windoze looks to see it its there.  It is a good idea to try to use the same port for each device to prevent this problem.
I am relieved to see that HP did not continue their earlier habit of using the same image on multiple machines which is evidenced by the lack of grayed out system devices.
The entries under Sound (etc) are the codecs I mentioned earlier and the Non Plug and Play also looks clean.
In the Sound (etc) category, uninstall the four entries for the Mic and Speaker Controls (DVR)  
You won't hurt anything by uninstalling EVERY grayed out item in all of the other categories except Non PNP and Sound (etc)  They will be redetected the next time you plug them in.  I think you should unplug the Epson scanner and clear that Other devices category, too.  That WDC SCSI device (2nd from the bottom) under drives is the original drive that HP created its image on.
Our goal is to unclutter Windoze's device detection first, then see what issues are left.  Try not to plug the Olympus DVR back in until after things are working.  I would also like to know what happens if you try to use the speaker jack which you said has never worked.
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photoman11Author Commented:
David,

You sure know how to turn a phrase-impressive heap is pretty accurate. of course, I have a few questions:

1. Under sound, I uninstalled the four entries for the Mic and Speaker Controls (DVR) , but nothing else except the grayed out version of Andrea Pure Audio. Should I be keeping all the grayed out entries, other than the two ATI high definition audio devices and the one Andrea Pure audio ?

2. You commented about the WDC SCSI device (2nd from the bottom) under drives. It was grayed out, so should I delete it?


RESULTS:

I left the Non-plug-and-play category alone, as you suggested.

Under printers, I tried to uninstall the grayed out HP desk jet which looked to be a duplicate of the other one, but every time the device manager refreshed, the grayed out printer was back. Do I need to do something about that?

After deleting all the grayed out ones, I still have about 50 entries for Generic Volume Shadow Copy, under Storage volume shadow copies. Not knowing what these mean, do I need all of them?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
The other grayed out entries under Sound... are codecs which you may never use; but, really should not uninstall.
That HP printer worries me as it should have meant you had plugged it into another USB port at one time.  First, lets go to the Printers in the control panel and see if that offline (grayed out) HP has a print job which never printed.  If it does, right-click on the job and choose Cancel.  If it doesn't, try deleting it there.
The volume shadow copies shouldn't cause any issues; but, it will help to uninstall the nonpresent ones and the only thing you lose under Storage Volumes are any custom drive letter assignments you may have setup.
Did you try to use the ATI HDAudio?
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photoman11Author Commented:
David,

I did what you suggested regarding the printers and it worked. under Devices and Printers, I show the HP LaserJet and DeskJet printers. Since my Canon printer was not showing, I turned it on and Windows found and downloaded the driver. However, when I went back to the control panel to look forward under Devices and Printers, the Canon printer was still not showing.

I have not tried to print anything with it yet so I don't know if that is a problem. after removing all the grayed out rubbish, I rebooted and the soundcard had properly defaulted to the ATI HD audio. The PC has not been without use long enough to go into... well, I don't know what to call it. I was going to say hibernate, but I have previously removed all of the hibernate options.

I did notice though that when the computer is not used or more than 15 or 30 minutes, the power light does dim as it did under hibernation and when I touch the , it does come back to life just like it did when the hibernate settings where there.

I am going to see what happens when I leave the computer alone for a while and post the results here. I don't know if I want to push my luck by plugging in my little computer speakers, because I'm afraid that my dishwasher may start.

Thank you so much for your help Davis.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
You are welcome.
Did you know that every NASA mission since Apollo 8 has done something all on it's own and then fixed itself?  One of them went into a 30RPM roll for 15 minutes which had all of the astronauts ready to lose their cookies when it just stopped.
 ROFLOL "I don't know if I want to push my luck by plugging in my little computer speakers, because I'm afraid that my dishwasher may start."
Hey, the cynic in me is waiting for the guy driving home to push his garage door opener and crash every computer in the neighborhood.
 
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photoman11Author Commented:
David,

I feel I should be doing a "I regret to inform you that..." letter because I just woke up my computer after leaving it on all night (I know you said not to be I wanted to test this) and the soundcard settings changed again back to "not plugged in" for the ATI.

Are there a more tricks in your trick bag?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
OK, so I Googled ATI LOSING HDMI AFTER SLEEP and got 1,330,000 results so you're not alone.  One which appears in many threads is that HDMION fixes things, so, download this and save it someplace handy: http://thydzik.com/hdmiOn/hdmiOn.exe
Let me know if it fixes it.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

I would do that. I also went in and changed the sleep and hibernate settings to "never" since the problem seems to happen when the computer wakes up. You see any downside in this?
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

I'm writing this from the hospital, after recovering from a heart attack. Do you know what that executable does? I double clicked on it and bulk my monitors immediately went black (I think that is what my coronary began, but I'm not sure).

Then a couple other messages about those single and the monitors came back to life exactly as they were. So, what the h**l was that? Also, with the settings about hibernate and sleep on" number," will I be able to test it?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
That utility supposedly resets the video card so it reactivates the displays and was written by someone who had the additional aggravation of having his big screen be blank and no audio when the system went to sleep.
As a note, the Googled results span back to 2007 so it really is way past due for ATI to fix it!
Did it turn the HDMI Audio back on?
And yes; when Windows goes to sleep, newer systems drop to about 1/2 of a nightlight for power consumption so, not only will your power bill be higher, you will also shorten the life of system significantly.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

that was interesting-2007, huh? So I guess what you're saying is I should not have the hibernate and sleep settings on NEVER, right? I guess it will be apparent whether the utility works or not, then.

One of the things I don't understand is whether this utility will automatically run every time the system comes out of sleep or hibernation; or whether I have to manually run it.

Thanks again for all your work.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
One forum had a step-by-step on setting it up as a scheduled task which could probably be set to run at wakeup.
Laet's see it work a couple of times first; though.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

I changed the settings back to a more reasonable sleep timing so I had a chance to test. Unfortunately, the test failed because after waking up from hibernation, the soundcard settings were back to the incorrect ones.

I may need to take advantage of that step-by-step plan you said one of the forums had.

This is when I wish that someone had filed a class-action suit against ATI. I think if it wasn't for you and expert exchange, I would've committed suicide by now. (Too dramatic?) I really appreciate all your help.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
You still haven't told me if HDMIOn fixes it; does it?
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photoman11Author Commented:
sorry about that, I thought you could read my mind...

No, it did not fix it. That's sort of what I meant when I said that the test failed. Maybe I should just set my computer to automatically reboot every 20 minutes, and it could be a race between my computer destroying itself me going crazy.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
OK; roll up your sleeves.  I found the fix; but, you'll have some work to do....
http://www.developerfusion.com/community/blog-entry/8391150/achieving-hdmi-audio-output-with-ati-hardware-on-windows-7-and-vista/ 
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

There might be a small problem. It's not my sleeves, which I don't have any on; and it is not the work. It is step #5 of the fix. It says:

"Now comes the tricky part. Unplug the TV from the PC. You now need to connect the PC to the AV receiver, but making sure that the receiver is not connected to the TV. This means you won’t be able to see anything on screen so make sure you don’t accidentally switch focus away from moninfo. You can’t have any other displays attached either, as this will confuse the information moninfo sees. "

As you probably recall, I am using an HDMI cable from my soundcard to the HDTV. The problem is, I have an older AV receiver which DOES NOT HAVE AN HDMI PORT. Admittedly, I don't fully understand the solution, although I would be perfectly all right following the steps.My impression though is that after disconnecting the HDMI cable between the PC and the HDTV, I need to connect the HDMI cable from the PC to my AV receiver.

I cannot do that the AV receiver has no HDMI port. Will the solution still work if I go from the soundcard I'm using on my PC for the HDMI cable, but I use a different table, such as DVI, to connect to my AV receiver?

I cannot believe the magnitude of what this is turning into. It might be easier for me just to watch the video part and read a transcript of the audio! What you think?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
What it wants you to do is to generate an accurate .INF file for the HDTV so that, rather than using Windoze' generic definition, it will know about the specifics of the HDTV, including audio.  Since an INF file is plain text, you can inspect what was generated to see if it looks right before you change the driver for the display to use the INF file.
So, ignore that step, create the INF file and look at it.
HMMM, what is the make and model of the HDTV?  We could also see if there is an INF file for it already made.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

My HDTV model number is: samsung LN52b630. I did a search for the INI file plus the model and I found a couple entries are but when I read them I had no idea what they were talking about so...

Back to the experts.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

I don' know if you know anything about Palm smart phones and having to use Bluetooth for syncing them with the computer, but since the time when I removed all of the grayed out items, every time I try to sync my Palm to my computer, I get an error message about the port is being used by another user.

I have been searching and trying to find and implement solutions for hours and it seems like this is not a super unusual problem, however the solution seems to elude most people. Nobody has been able to come up with a clear-cut solution, but rather approach is it like a science experiment of putting 100 monkeys in a room with typewriters and seeing how long it takes for them to produce a masterpiece by randomly striking keys.

Believe me, I do not want you to start looking into this, or also-you've done way too much already. I'm just wondering if perhaps you've run into this kind of situation and maybe have an answer off the top your head.

Background: Palm does not even acknowledge it as a problem because then they would have to come up with a solution. The Palm forums and support/technical forums for this topic have been the sources for my research.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
photoman,
NICE TV!
In case you didn't read my profile, I've been solving peoples computer problems for 34 years, now, dig in like a stubborn mule, and learn from pursuing the things I dig into.
What is going on here, ironically, boils down to Samsung thinking nobody will connect their HDTV to the computer, ATI being kinda stupid, and Microsoft making matters worse by obfuscating what's going on in the background.
Right now, you have a generic HDTV defined in Windoze which doesn't know the specifics of your Samsung; especially its audio capabilities.  Samsung should have provided one; but, ......
The solution is to run that MONINFO program again, go down the list of Display ID's, find the Samsung HDTV (look on the right as you go down the selections), and do File -> Create INF.  Change its default location to someplace you can find, name it SAMSUNG-LN52b630, save it, then close MonInfo.
Go into the display properties anyway you want to, find the Samsung, and "update" its driver to the one created by MonInfo.
That, supposedly, will do it.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

Anytime you want to come over and watch it, you are more than welcome.

What I have done so far is downloaded and installed the Monitor Asset Manager.exe program.

I rebooted my computer, and ran the program. As far as I can tell, my TV is not in the list of Display IDs. The reason I say that is for several reasons. Looking at the right side while I scroll through the display IDs...

- None of the screen sizes were even close to mine
- The "model line" did not show anything remotely similar to the model line of my HDTV
- I bought the TV right before Thanksgiving, 2009; and the manufacture date for every display ID was 2008.
- The serial number for the display IDs for the 3 or 4 Samsung listings, were each "1" while my HDTV as approximately a 12 number alphanumeric serial number.

I refreshed the Monitor Asset Manager and reran it a few times, without resulting in anything different. Am I missing something?


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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Is it turned on and displaying something?
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

I am attaching screenshots of two different Samsung items.
sound-card1.jpg
soundcard2.jpg
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
The only ones that matter are the two "Real-Time" entries as they are the ones which are active.  If that SAM050D is the only Samsung you have, that must be it; but, it is missaing any audio capabilities.
On a hunch, I Googled "radeon 4550 conflicts with onboard audio" and got a ton of hits, so, rollup your sleeves again and this time you'll need to take the cover off....
1) Create a restore point (Start -> All Programs -> Accesories -> System Tools -> System Restore)
2) Shut the system down and take out the 4550 card.
3) Reboot and it would be nice to know the speakers start working; but, use the SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES trick (above) to look in Sound...   If there is a grayed out Realtek High Definition Audio device, uninstall it.
4) Reboot and go into the Rom BIOS ( instructions: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02030465&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&product=4003103 )  On the Advance page is an option to disable the onboard audio.  Do so and reboot.
5) Go back to the nonpresent devive manager and, again, if there is a grayed out Realtek High Definition Audio, uninstall it.
6) Create another Restore Point.
7) Shut down, put the 4550 card back in, hook it up to the TV, and reboot
8) Say a little prayer while it is booting.
What we are doing is making sure we have cleaned up any wrong entries for the conflicting Realtek HD Audio and then having Windoze detect it as a new device so we get a clean installation.
 
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

Don't take this the wrong way because I truly do appreciate all the help, but wouldn't it simply be easier if I put a bullet in my head? Okay, now that I have that off my chest, if you were a betting man, how confident would you be that this will be the final solution? 50%? 90%?

The reason I'm asking is with the amount of time, effort, and aggravation spent on this so far, I just don't want to make it into a lifelong hobby, when the alternative is (admittedly, not the best from a computer purist standpoint) to simply reboot when I want the HDMI connection to be active.

Granted, that might be once a day, but I'm just looking at trade-offs of time. I hope you understand, this is nothing negative about your help, which was been exemplary to say the least.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
If you don't think I haven't been here ( wayyyyy more than once), think again.
I give it an 80% chance of fixing things.
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photoman11Author Commented:
what the heck does ROFLMAO!!!!!! mean?

On the one hand, it is sort of reassuring to hear that somebody with your level of expertise is also been there. Anyway, with 80% chance, I guess that's high enough to give it a shot. I'll report back... unless you hear a gunshot.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Rolling On Floor Laughing My A** Off
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photoman11Author Commented:
gotta love these acronyms!
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dddoooeeeCommented:
Check for software such as Skype, Ventrillo, Teamspleak, etc. to see if they are changing your default destination
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photoman11Author Commented:
thank you. I don't have any of those programs, however I do have a total of approximately 150 programs loaded. If you feel a one of the programs may be causing the problem, I will make screenprints of the list for you to examine. What do you think?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Geeze,  I was getting worried about bullets......
ALL over the web are issues with the ATI Radeon 4xxx cards and sound issues.  They are using a Realtek HD Audio chip which is fundamentally the same as the ones used on many systemboards. This causes massive conflicts and confusions.
If you followed my previous steps and it did not resolve the issue, what we want to do is to first see what audio devices are in the device manager, then whether moninfo now reports the audio capabilities of that Samsung.
As an aside, myself and almost everyone who has to do production work (engineers, AutoCAD users, etc) have a real distaste for ATI products for the same reasons you are experiencing; inconsistent, ugly bugs which waste lots of time.
As another possibility, have you tried moving the Samsung to the 4650 card?
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photoman11Author Commented:
I never tried switching the Samsung to the 4650 card. Ya think...

I was waiting to do the PC surgery until after my HP Insurance for death & dismemberment kicked in.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Ya know; the things you can't even think about cryin' about, gotta make you laugh, huh?
So, where can we buy some HP Death and Dismembership Insurance?  I know lots of folks who'd love to sign up!
If you want to try the quickie (it's nowhere near as thorough), disable the Realtek audio in the BIOS, boot up, uninstall any Realtek's in Sound.... using the device manager trick, and reboot.
So, as to HP (!!!!), they offered your system with an NVidia card which would not have had this consequence waiting like a bouncing betty in the background.  Do you want insurance or a gun?
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

I'm guardedly optimistic. I switched the two monitors and the HDTV connections to the opposite graphic card. When I booted up, the soundcard displayed a slightly different result from what had been shown in the past.

It still showed the Andrea pure audio Port as the default, however only one of the other two ATI HDMI outputs was showing as "not plugged in." I disabled the one showing not plugged in and I made the other ATI HDMI output, the default device.

So far, the HDTV sound is fine. The real proof will be once the system is inactive long enough for it to go into hibernation and when it wakes up-will the settings still be the same as before it went into hibernation? Who knows, if it seems to work, I may actually someday get the nerve to connect my desktop speakers and see what happens... but I wouldn't place a lot of money on it.

 
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photoman11Author Commented:
I was so excited I forgot to mention something. Should I do anything regarding the MONINFO file, or any of the graded-out disappearing tricks? Or should we just see how this shakes out with what I did and decide from that point?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Feel free to see how it shakes out.  You actually have 3 of those Realtek HD Audio's; one on the system board and one on each sound card.
You might want to rerun MonInfo and make the INF file for the Samsung.  What would be nice is to hear it now contains audio capabilities.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

Good news/bad news...

This morning, as I eagerly bounced down the stairs to check on my bastard  HP child, I went over to wake it up from hibernation and... it would not wake up! No matter what I did with the mouse or keyboard, monitors remained black and the power light on the monitors continued to stay in their "hibernation" status. (by the way, that was the bad news)

Therefore I had harsh words to say to it and hit the power button to shut down in a very ungraceful approach. After rebooting, everything came up normally, and the soundcard situation was still good-identical to what it was last night.

Unfortunately, that still doesn't tell me anything because even before I switched the sound cards/cable setup, upon rebooting, the soundcard worked for my HDTV.

So this point, I'm not sure what to do because if every time it goes into hibernation, it passes into a coma and I need to bring out the paddles to resuscitate it, I don't know that I've gained that much.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't really know what Realtek HD Audio are. Should I wait about rerunning MonInfo until I know what is happening with this whole hibernation thing. And, do you need to know my hibernation settings?

The saga continues...
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

For this issue and many others, I'm going to be doing a fresh install of Windows 7 over the weekend. Based on that, is there any point at all for me to do anything more than I have already done, before I do the fresh install?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
Before you do, try the new drivers (10.4) which came out today: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=win7/windows-7-64bit  Maybe they finally decided to do something about it.
Realtek is the manufacturer of the audio chip on each ATI card and your systemboard; so its understandable that Windoze gets confused.
As a note; the core issue is in Windows redecting everything when it wakes up and it is a rampant problem (so you're not alone)  Powerstrip ( http://entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm ) has been around for a long time with it's original claim to fame being it would let you set display settings that weren't included with the drivers.  Now, it does a lot more and may be a good solution.  The only thing I couldn't find is if it would also let you set the audio settings.
P.S. Pushing your power button for one second should cause an orderly shutdown even if you can't see it happening.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

Thank you very much. For the new link you gave me, it has several different downloads for different packages. Which one do you recommend I try?
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
The first one which is both the driver and Catalyst
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photoman11Author Commented:
okay. I will let you know what happens. Thanks again for everything.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

Are you sitting down?

After the first time into hibernation after I downloaded the information you provided in the link, when the computer came out of hibernation - the soundcard settings WERE STILL CORRECT!

I will keep you posted, but could that have been the solution???

Thanks for everything.
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Davis McCarnOwnerCommented:
It sure would be nice, huh?
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photoman11Author Commented:
Yes it would.

Just for the heck of it, you don't know anything about Palm PDAs, do you?
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis,

it has been over a week since the fresh install and so far (I sure hope this doesn't jinx things), the soundcard setting has been consistent and correct! Yahoo!

I cannot thank you enough for all the help. Do you at least get some award from expert exchange for having the longest post?

Just remember, next time you are in the Chicago area, look me up see could see the infamous HDTV that started this whole mess. Thanks again for everything.
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photoman11Author Commented:
Davis has gone so far above and beyond, that I don't even think there's an expression for it. He is truly a lifesaver.
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