Can I load this version of IOS on a Cisco Catalyst 3750-E?

I would like to know if I can load IOS c3750-advipservicesk9-version.bin on a Cisco Catalyst 3750-E and where/how do I find that information?

(config)#do sh ver
Cisco IOS Software, C3750E Software (C3750E-UNIVERSAL-M), Version 12.2(35)SE2, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Copyright (c) 1986-2007 by Cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Mon 05-Feb-07 23:04 by antonino
Image text-base: 0x00003000, data-base: 0x01475054

ROM: Bootstrap program is C3750E boot loader
BOOTLDR: C3750E Boot Loader (C3750E-HBOOT-M) Version 12.2(35r)SE, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

XXXXX uptime is 21 hours, 45 minutes
System returned to ROM by power-on
System image file is "flash:c3750e-universal-version/c3750e-universal-version.bin"

License Level: ipbase   Type: Permanent
Next reboot license Level: ipbase

cisco WS-C3750E-48PD (PowerPC405) processor (revision A0) with 245760K/16376K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID Serial Number
Last reset from power-on
7 Virtual Ethernet interfaces
1 FastEthernet interface
52 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
2 Ten Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
The password-recovery mechanism is enabled.

512K bytes of flash-simulated non-volatile configuration memory.
Base ethernet MAC Address       : 00:1B:D4:xx:xx:xx
Motherboard assembly number     : 73-10316-11
Motherboard serial number       : Serial Number
Model revision number           : A0
Motherboard revision number     : A0
Model number                    : WS-C3750E-48PD-SF
Daughterboard assembly number   : 800-28590-01
Daughterboard serial number     : Serial Number
System serial number            : Serial Number
Top Assembly Part Number        : 800-28446-02
Top Assembly Revision Number    : A0
Version ID                      : V01
CLEI Code Number                : COM7D10ARA
Hardware Board Revision Number  : 0x01


Switch   Ports  Model              SW Version              SW Image
------   -----  -----              ----------              ----------
*    1   54     WS-C3750E-48PD     12.2(35)SE2             C3750E-UNIVERSAL-M


Configuration register is 0xF
Dragon0x40Asked:
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lrmooreConnect With a Mentor Commented:
>like to know if I can load IOS c3750-advipservicesk9-version.bin on a Cisco Catalyst 3750-E
Negative.
You must use an IOS version for the "E" series.
For example, the latest version for the 3750E is c3750e-ipbasek9-tar.version.tar
You cannot load a non-E version like the c3750-advipservicesk9-version.bin

>I would like to know why the switch does not support this image
Because it is different Hardware. E series is not the same as non-E series.

There is NOTHING you can do to "make my switch support this version of IOS"

Why do you insist on forcing a round peg into a square hole? What is your original intent in upgrading the existing switch? Perhaps an upgrade to the appropriate "e" series is all you need to do?
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scott30134Commented:
Hi Dragon,

  You can find this information on the Cisco Software Advisor on the Cisco website.  I believe you have to have a Cisco login to access the Software Advisor.  Anyway, the most current IOS for this switch is  12.2(46)SE c3750e-universalk9-mz.12.2-46.SE.  However, you must have 256/64 memory to support it.  The IOS you are asking about requires 128/16 and minimum 12.2(35) SE5 which is what you appear to have right now.  So, my answer is yes, your switch should support it.
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
thanks scott30134,

What is 256/64 and 128/16?  Flash and NVRAM?

What is 12.2(35) SE5?
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scott30134Commented:
Dragon,
I apoligize.  I answered too quickly.  There are several factors you have to look at, and I rushed my answer.  Your flash isnt enough.
256/64 = 256Mb DRAM / 64Mb Packet Memory
128/16 = 128Mb DRAM/16Mb IO Packet Memory
Your sho ver tells you your switch currently has 245760K/16376K bytes of DRAM. This tells you how much Dynamic RAM (DRAM) and Packet memory is installed in your switch. Some platforms use a fraction of their DRAM as Packet memory. The memory requirements take this into account, so you have to add both numbers to find the amount of DRAM available on your switch(from a memory requirement point of view).  This device has 245760 K available for main memory.  This device has 16376 K available for IO memory (shared memory).   You just need to convert to Mb because that is the way it is listed on the Cisco Software Advisor.  This device has a total of 255.9921875 MB of RAM installed which is sufficient as the IOS you want to upgrade to needs 256MB.
However, your Flash memory looks like 512K which just isn't going to cut it.  You need 64MB.
Do a sho flash command to confirm.  If its on board flash, you may not be able to upgrade it either.  If its just a flash card, you could just buy a 64MB card.
12.2(35) SE5 is your current IOS
On the Cisco Software Advisor, you need to know current IOS, memory (DRAM and flash), and switch model number in order to determine if a particular switch will support a particular IOS.  Sorry for the quick answer that I shot out without looking at all the factors, but I hope this rectifys the issue.
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
I will post the "show flash"

Why does Cisco have to call memory by so many different names? It is confusing to me.

I found an article that explains it a little bit but I could use a better explanation of the different types of memory and what commands will show the amount of memory the switch or router has.

http://www.lyberty.com/tech/cisco/memory.html

I guess Software Advisor used to be called IOS Upgrade Planner. I have a Cisco account but it is very limited and I can not see certain parts of the website. Do you happen to know what the requirements are to get more access to the Cisco site?
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scott30134Commented:
The main two things you have to look at on the memory are the DRAM and Flash.  The DRAM is the two numbers combined.
The Flash is shown in a separate line.  It really gets complicated when you try to figure out if you can upgrade your memory and what you need.  
As far as getting more access to the Cisco site, you have to be a CCIE, buy more stuff from Cisco, be sponsored by someone,  or be part of an organization that has a Cisco partnership.
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
>sh flash

Directory of flash:/

    2  -rwx     6795472  Feb 28 1993 20:09:52 -08:00  c3750-version.bin
  514  -rwx         916   Mar 1 1993 09:53:22 -08:00  vlan.dat
    3  d---         512  Dec 31 1969 16:00:33 -08:00  lost+found
    8  drwx         512  Feb 28 1993 16:05:51 -08:00  c3750e-universal-version
  513  -rwx        5806  Mar 15 1993 20:50:11 -07:00  config.text.old

57409536 bytes total (28893184 bytes free)

I divided 57409536 by 1024 twice and came up with 54.75 mb of flash?
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
I don't see any external flash card so it must be onboard.

If it is internal can I replace/upgrade the flash memory?
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scott30134Commented:
Yes, I figured it was probably onboard. It can be quite confusing, and it gets even more confusing when they say "minimum", because depending on other variables, the stated minimum to run a particular IOS may still not be enough if you are running lots of processes, vlans, routing, etc.  Yes, you CAN upgrade internal memory, but I've never done it.  I suppose it is similar to upgrading RAM in a computer.  However, now that I'm seeing your sho flash, I'm thinking you'll be alright.  What I stated earlier about you needing 64Mb of flash was wrong for the IOS you're asking about.  I was still looking at the latest IOS for your switch which is 12.2(46) instead of the one you're asking about 12.2(44).  Let me clarify here:
12.2(44) requires 128Mb of DRAM and 16Mb of Flash
12.2(46) requires 256Mb of DRAM and 64Mb of Flash
Soooo... after all that discussion, I'm back to my original answer of yes.  I've double checked it an triple checked it and in spite of all the confusion, "Yes" to 12.2(44) is my final answer.
I know you have to be frustrated with that, but its good news.
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
Would Cisco say that I have 64 mb of flash in this switch?
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scott30134Commented:
Well, I dug into this a bit further because I was tired of getting confused on it myself.  Actually based on Cisco's guidance, you would take your
57409536 bytes total (28893184 bytes free)
That's 57409536 bytes total IN USE
 and
28893184 bytes FREE
That's 57.40MB in use plus 28.89MB free or 82.30MB total.
However, to decypher what that really means is another question.  On 2900XL switches it means one thing while on 3500XL switches it means another.  I couldn't find any information about the 3700E series.  So, best assessment means its a 128MB Flash since it is more than 64MB.  Here's how I came up with that:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps607/products_tech_note09186a00800946e5.shtml#amtmem
At any rate, 64MB or 128MB flash is going to be enough for either IOS you want to go to.
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scott30134Commented:
In case you haven't already read over the release notes for that IOS, here is the link to them.  I highly suggest you read over them thoroughly before starting your upgrade if you decide to.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst3750e_3560e/software/release/12.2_44_se/release/notes/OL14629.html
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
loaded new IOS and got error message: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
File "flash:c3750-advipservicesk9-version.bin" uncompressed and installed, entry point: 0x3000
executing...

Error: hardware not supported by firmware.
       Try loading newer software instead.
       System Resetting...
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
Now the switch just keeps trying to reload the ios with the same error. I tried sending a break but it is not going into rommon.
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
I think the below solution will get my original IOS booting again but I would like to know why the switch does not support this image and is there anything I can do to make the switch support the new IOS version?

http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t55403-ios-software-problem-tough-one.html
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Dragon0x40Author Commented:
thanks lrmoore,

that makes perfect sense!

The c3750e-universal-version/c3750e-universal-version2.bin does not seem to support encryption or ospf.

I wanted those two features and I know our switches with the  c3750-advipservicesk9-version.bin support encryption and ospf.
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lrmooreConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Then you need the IPBASEK9 instead of universal.
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scott30134Commented:
lrmoore is right.  I missed the lack of an "e" in your original post about the IOS, and I didn't know what your intent for the upgrade really was.
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