Vista Search works under "Start" button, but not in Windows Explorer

Vista Search works fine under "Start" button, but it doesn't work in Windows Explorer, unless I choose "advanced search" and tick "include non-indexed, hidden and system files", which is very annoying when I want to search in a particular folder.

I have run "rebuilding the index", even removed it completely from "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Search\Data" directory and then rebuild, but no avail. My Vista Business has SP2 installed with all security patches and I have attached a document with screenshots showing my current search settings.

Interestingly, when I tick "Don't use the index when searching (might be slow)" in "Folder Options", then Vista Search works in Windows Explorer, but then Search doesn't work under "Start" button! How can I make Vista Search working both under "Start" button and in Windows Explorer at the same time please?
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exponeAuthor Commented:
Attaching screenshots showing my current search settings :-)
VistaSearch.docx
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Ivano ViolaSystem AdministratorCommented:
I really don't use the Windows search function. I turn off indexing and use a great little free utility called Search Everything. If you don't get any answers then maybe you can give it a try.

http://www.voidtools.com/

Sorry I don't have the answer your looking for.

IV
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exponeAuthor Commented:
Thanks ivanoviola,
The problem with a third party search is that it's not integrated in Windows Explorer, so I would need to open a new application. Then, I would end up doing a similar work as opening an "Advanced Search" in Windows Exporer, which will also find my files when I tick "include non-indexed, hidden and system files".
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Ivano ViolaSystem AdministratorCommented:
expone,

One thing I forgot to mention about Search Everything is that you can use Windows Explorer. The program is added to the right-click menu so it's easy to open.

Thought I'd mention it......
I hope someone has an answer for you.

IV
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I moved off Vista and onto Windows 7, so my post here is going from recollection and from what I see in a Vista Virtual Machine (very, very few documents).

First, in Folder Options, I do not include system directories or compressed folders (those are unchecked). I also have checked Indexed Locations (that you say does not work).

Second, as now in Windows 7 and I recall in Vista, I index much much less than you and not Program Files and those kind of folders. I index Outlook, Users, and my several large document stores (libraries).

Then third, as now in Windows 7 and I recall in Vista, searching from Explorer worked just fine. It is working now in a Virtual Machine.

Now, what do you mean "It does not work"?  (a) it does not find anything or (b) it breaks in someway.

Can you reduce indexing to just Outlook and Documents? Maybe you are trying to index too much.
.... Thinkpads_User
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
My recollection about adding Search to the Right Click is that was a modification in some way (a registry fix?) but I cannot truly recall, and left it behind with Vista. ... Thinkpads_User
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exponeAuthor Commented:
Thanks ivanoviola: I will try "Search Everything" in Windows Explorer (with the right-click menu) and will see how it goes.
Thanks thinkpads_user: I understand that default does not include system directories nor compressed folders (those are usually unchecked), but I checked them out of desparation, because Windows Explorer search did not find anything .
The same applies to those other folders, which I all indexed (they were not indexed previously, so I tried to improve search results, which did not find anything even though some files or folders were obvious, as per my attached screenshots).  
This Vista business machine was recently rebuilded (Windows Vista freshly installed) and then all documents were copied back there from "windows.old" directory (but not program files, oviously they were reinstalled properly). Would this huge documents file copy (actually move with cut and paste, as it's all on a single disk) somehow corrupt Windows Explorer search functionality?
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
In terms of document size, my document store totals about 7Gb and it does not corrupt anything. But overall complexity might (I cannot say for sure). Another thing I do is copy documents and then do a quick verify. I leave the old documents in place until the new ones are safe and then delete the old. I do not like to rely on cut and paste (move) if I can avoid it.

If you recently rebuilt the machine, another alternative (off the wall, I do admit) is to bite the bullet and move on to Windows 7 Pro. Search there works very well and I use it all the time. I did have Search running fine in Vista but I like Windows 7.

Another possibility (you don't refer to it): Are the documents sync'd documents from another source? Vista (in my opinion) did not handle sync'd documents well.
... Thinkpads_User
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exponeAuthor Commented:
Hi guys,
Thanks for your help so far. "Search Everything" may not help, as it doesn't search network drives (or it becomes too complicated in that scenario, when I can just click “Advanced Search” button and then tick “include non-indexed and system files”, which will find what I'm looking for :-)
I will consider moving to Windows 7, even though I have no gurantee that Search will work if I just "upgrade", so I may need to do a "clean install", which involves a lot of work (installing a lot of programs again).
In answer to "thinkpads_user", documents are not sync'd from another source. Very veird, as search works in Windows Explorer when when I go under "Organise" => "Folder and Search Options" => Search Tab => Tick "Don't use the index when searching the File System (might be slow)", but then Search stops working under "Start" button.. so frustrating that I can't have both of those searches finding results.  
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
If you do decide to move to Windows 7, go carefully. Install Windows 7, update it and update all your drivers. Get the OS running well. Add Office and update. Add a copy of your documents, index it and then try the searching. You want to know early two things (at least): (1) has your problem been solved; and then (2) as you add the remaining software you have, does the problem remain solved.
... Thinkpads_User
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exponeAuthor Commented:
Yes, good advice Thinkpads_User :-)  
I can conclude from the above that there isn't any "easy switch" which would make Vista Search finding things as expected. So, I will need to decide whether to live with it "as it is", or to do a clean Windows 7 install, as we don't see any other option available at the moment.
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exponeAuthor Commented:
Thanks to the experts :-)
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Thank you, and I was pleased to assist. ... Thinkpads_User
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